To wonder why governments,WHO and scientists are allowed to be bullied by big food companies-The Men Who Made Us Fat?

[Rockpool]

Following on from the program last night and the thread in Telly Addicts I just don't get why they're allowed to get away with it.

As somebody said last night it's the tobacco industry all over again,haven't we learnt from that?

Setting aside the carb debate because the eat less move more people will never accept it, should we not be getting angry about the addition of this stuff to food that doesn't need it.

Stop hiding crap in our food.

I didn't say there was a conspiracy theory ...

I would agree that everyone knows that lean meat and veg is healthier than burgers and chips, but not everyone knows that when they eat certain snack foods, those foods have ingredients added which make people crave more of the same (sugar, for example) or that some ingredients stop your body from knowing when it is full.

Thus the 'food' industry is playing with a loaded dice. it's not so simple as saying X = good and Y = bad because the waters have been muddied by the promotion of the idea that low fat diet foods are good and healthy and you get confused people who don't know what to believe.

AlpinePony yes it is

FWIW I'm not trying to advocate low carb - I eat too many vegetables and fruits to be low carb, but you do need to look at the hormones that the food effects, leptin and insulin. You are fighting an uphill battle if you are constantly trying to fight your appetite - the best way to eat to maintain a healthy weight for life is to listen to your body, or you'll always be fighting it - which if you look at our society doesn't work, it's what has been advocated and tried by millions and it often works for a short period of time but not forever. The definition of insanity is supposed to be doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. If you are eating sweetner, low fat (both known to cause increase in hunger) and high glucose fructose syrup (found in diet products) you are disrupting your bodies natural appetite and weight control.

You could be following all the advice - low fat biscuits, low fat rice cake snacks, tinned veg - and it could all be full of sugar that is causing you to feel hungrier and struggle to stop eating. If you are both cash strapped and time poor you won't be abel to access all the info you need to cut out all the stuff that's actually messing up your body - it takes quite a bit of effort. If the food industry was forced to not used these ingredients in the first place then it would be the start of people being abel to find their own equilibrium. I fail to see why I should be forced to read ingredients of products to activly avoid something that is bad for me. Why is it even there in the first place - becasue it is cheap and makes the company a profit, brilliant, I don't care, don't sodding use it.

As far as move more, eat less - I can't, I'm severly restricted in my mobility and you have to eat at least 1250 cal a day to get all the nutrients you need so you don't suffer malnutrition. If I eat like that with low fat, high fructose corn syrup and other sugars I am constantly hungry and only maintain not loose. If I eat normal fat, no refined sugar I can eat till I am full (no idea what the calories are I'm afraid) and loose significant ammounts of weight by listening to body - which seems to know what it's doing if you leave it the hell alone.

AlpinePony - the more I read about food, the more angry I become. We have been given the wrong advice, consistently, since the 50s/60s about food. Read Gary Taubes' "The Diet Delusion" or Dr John Briffa's "Escape the Diet Trap" for all the evidence that you need that low fat diets are just wrong.