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To be surprised at how advanced the US were to us?

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Hownoobrooncoo · 20/06/2012 12:33

was watching an old movie earlier set in The 50's and a character mentioned her glass of champagne her 85 calories - would anyone in the UK even have known what a calorie was back then?

The first microwave ovens appeared in the home in the 50's in the US as well, same as TV remote controls - Jesus, we were lagging behind.

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CaliforniaLeaving · 21/06/2012 02:35

I've been here a long time and things are defiantly behind UK.
Banking for one, and also what bank has Chip and PIN credit cards, no one I know had ever heard of them. My debit card has a PIN and can used as a CC but the payment just comes out the current account like a debit only it takes an extra day.
When I first got here I was shocked to find no one I knew had an electric kettle, and when I finally found one for sale it looked like something ,my gran had in the 70's they look a bit better now and I ended up with a cordless a couple years back.
I can only get free banking if I use a Credit union but they seem to have all the same services as a normal bank so thats fine.
The is no public transport where I am, nearest bus stop is 10 miles away and the bus runs something like 4 times a day. No train station for 50 miles.
The lack of privacy in the public toilets is a bit of a surprise at first, not sure why they have such big gaps in the partitions. Very weird.
Alcatraz has gone up in price squeaky, it's $28 to $30 now. I have to book tickets my Mum wants to go when she comes in October.

ginandslimline · 21/06/2012 02:55

Completely agree with missing mum and California Leaving.

Credit card security is shocking. I live in NJ and here you are not allowed to fill your own car with petrol (or gas as it's called here). A man appears who does it for you, then takes your card away and brings back a receipt to sign. It's the same in restaurants - they walk off with the card and return with the receipt. Meanwhile the card may or may not have been cloned. I now try and carry cash, although the nearest ATM that doesn't charge me to withdraw cash is 6 miles away.

There are no buses in the town where I live. And no pavements. So it's a case of drive or take you life on your hands and risk walking or cycling. The standard of driving is appalling so you really are taking a risk!

Most washing machines are top loading and don't seem to wash that well. Front loading machines are seen as a new fangled thing and cost a fortune. Despite the fact it is a lovely warm climate, it is not the done thing to hang clothes out to dry. Most people I know tumble dry. I hang my clothes out and am probably thought off as a bit odd.

sashh · 21/06/2012 02:57

As for not being in the UK until the 70's thats nonsense. Italian immigrants in Glasgow london etc had introduced pasta and made it popular and even the BBC did a famous april fools joke on the news in the 50's trying to convince folks that pasta grew on vines like grapes.

I think the 70's thing is because that's when glass spaghetti jars were a common wedding present - and there were rumours that some people put 3 tins in instead of the dried stuff.

We had a dish washer growing up, but it wasn't the norm.

ElaineBenes · 21/06/2012 03:22

Let's not get started on how crap the TV is here. Again, maybe in the 70s and 80s when we had maybe 2 channels and no-one had 'cable'. But now? UK is SO much better!

tomverlaine · 21/06/2012 04:27

I was born in 1971- we had a twin tub and a spin dryer ( we were behind due to finances)- black and white tv i think til about 1980? and i think we got our first microwave in the mid 80s (and I don't think we were late); i also remember people having betamax videos...

Pasta was definitely later- i think lasagne was early but exotic stuff like penne was mid-late 80s.

I don't think you can compare to the US in general- east coast and west coast have different innovations - with the west coast being health stuff-aerobics for example....

i guess the lack of kettles explains why hotel rooms never have coffee making facilities in the states.

on a slghtly different note (thinking about the flushing thing)- has anyone ever experienced Japanese toilets - there are so many options!

tadjennyp · 21/06/2012 04:30

I live in Oregon! In a town of 80000 people, the next town of any reasonable size heading East is Boise in Idaho, over 300 miles away. I think there are around 3 million people here in an area the size of England. Very empty! But I am drinking a tea, made from the kettle I boiled very slowly after having taken my washing in off the line. Wink

The US is so big it must surely depend where you live. The lack of direct debit is a pain but we use our debit card all the time. My washing machine is front loading etc. Cycling here is great (Cycle city USA several times) which is great because dh cycles to work nearly every day. We are very unAmerican and only have one car. Smile

Oh and Oregon does great cheese, though it is really expensive.

fridakahlo · 21/06/2012 04:32

I'm in NJ and I have an electric cordless kettle that we got in Walmart for about fifteen dollars.
I love not having to pump my own gas, though I am on the border with PA and have had to do it a couple of times when I've refuelled over there.
The lack of dd's is crap and it's annoying that a lot of the smaller shops can't take my debit card but I have a check book now, though sometimes they don't take those either. I've never had a credit card and never intend to either.
The driving for the most part seems pretty on par with the uk but where we live is fairly rural and you hardly ever have to deal with huge amounts of traffic.
Almost everyone I know has an iphone or an android (a smart phone).
The shops stay open much later over here, I can go appliance shopping for example at nine at night.
The class/race divide is a bit crap but there are places where you can go where there is less of that like the uu service on sundays.
Anyway rambling now so shall stop there.

mathanxiety · 21/06/2012 05:07

Smartphones are everywhere in the US. So are debit cards, and you can set up direct debit with every regular bill you get. Even a lot of private schools allow this. People use debit or credit cards for everything, everywhere they shop, and hardly ever use 'checks'. Many banks do free banking though there are sometimes conditions like a minimum balance or having your paycheck directly deposited from your employer. (Because direct deposit is possible).

You can't buy a sim card there and put it in any old phone.
Drjohnsonscat -- the bf of your friend was probably buying a phone card, not a sim card. You can buy international calling minutes and dial an incredible number of access numbers, beginning with a toll free number, then a PIN, then the international access code, then the country and city code and then the local number.

YY, Front loading washing machines cost a fortune and are few and far between. Plus detergent for front loaders costs more..

There are sensible sockets in bathrooms; they have ground fault circuit interrupters if the wiring is recent, and not if it is old. You can use an electric razor or a hair dryer in most American bathrooms! The Colombian was right.

Kettles are mostly used on the stovetop the fill up and boil type, not electric. This is because people don't drink that much tea. Coffee maker technology is fab though, and they are relatively inexpensive. People cook pasta by boiling water in a large saucepan and then putting the pasta in. I thought that was how everyone did it, everywhere am wondering how you would do it with a kettle full of boiling water..

American cars, and especially the larger SUVs are sold in many places outside of the US. The ME in particular springs to mind. The sedans really are like reverse Tardises though -- I once went across the country in the back seat of a Chevrolet Caprice station wagon and it was murderously uncomfortable.

Driving tests are easy and practical and the process of learning to drive is designed to get you safely on the road, not to torture you and take money from you for multiple efforts. You learn the booklet, take the written test, provide proof of who you are (bills from utilities, documentation from Immigration, and take the road test. This is after 60 days of having a learner's permit for learner drivers over 21 in mist states. And the right turn on red is a really sensible idea, as are four way stops. I don't think there can possibly be many places where they fill up your tank for you, Squeakytoy. Certainly not in the places I am most familiar with.

Lots more automatic cars, and they have been around forever -- my exMIL never drove anything else, and she learned back in the late 40s.

There are many different styles of houses in the US. The average frame house that gets destroyed in a tornado would be more of a southern and southern-midwest thing, very cheaply and fairly recently built. A lot of homes are far more sturdy. You don't hear about all the homes that are not flattened when storms hit. This is Beacon Hill in Boston -- lots of brick. Brick is very popular and lasts through all kinds of weather, but even frame houses can keep going for a few centuries. My old frame house was built in 1915 and afaik it is still going strong almost 100 years later.
Here is the 'Chicago bungalow' style' -- when first built these brick bungalows housed working families who would have been packed into two-up-two-downers in grim terraces with a privy in the back if you were lucky if they lived in the UK. Chicago Bungalows featured lovely Craftsman details, tiled indoor bathrooms, nice kitchens, hardwood floors, basements, back and front gardens and an alley in the back for bins.

Houses feature plenty of hot water -- this was one thing I really appreciated in the US after chilly showers that were more like trickles in Ireland. and a very true comment on washing habits too, right at the start. 'In America, we just have hot water. It's just there'.
'Heat is so precious here, you lock it away in a closet'
'Don't open that door. There's heat in there'.
Smile

However, up to the 90s you couldn't get a nice Indian meal in the US for love nor money, and you could only buy curry powder in 'mild' or 'hot' in teeny tiny little plastic jars.

Unless a room has a built in closet it can't be legally called a bedroom in a lot of US cities. This sort of rule was enacted to prevent people renting out closets as rooms at times when housing was tight afaik.

One thing I like about American neighbourhoods is the open plan front gardens and the way Americans respect the semi-public space that is thus created. It is notable that only in really poor neighbourhoods do you find a lot of dividers between front gardens, metal fences, walls and gates. I find it really jarring to the eye seeing them everywhere in the UK and Ireland.

Dealing with Immigration used to be a PITA. back in the late 80s I spent almost a whole day waiting for an interview in a crowded, hot room, standing room only, clutching my number, my pile of documents and photos and my chest x-ray which I had to have taken in Ireland before I left. I kept it because the embassy in Dublin told me to bring it with me. Nobody I encountered in the US immigration offices knew what to do with it. Trying to contact the INS (as it was back then) to have a question answered meant spending hours in a phone loop listening to menus and pressing buttons and eventually getting cut off. I found out via a network of other Irish people the magic combination of buttons to press to get to actually speak to a human being and have my questions answered. I had my green card renewed ten years after first getting it and the process was a walk in the park by comparison.

Social security number and driving licence office people are often really rude and their systems mean a lot of lines and taking numbers. I often wonder if Americans' apprehension about a government-sponsored health system springs from their experience of state and federal government employees when trying to get simple business done in offices they pay for, by people whose salaries they pay, who are supposed to be public servants...

I remember my dad's family all drinking real coffee in Ireland, and my memories go back to the 60s; made with an old fashioned percolator. Fruit juice back then meant orange juice however, and it was vile, more like orange mixed with vinegar. No nice, sweet Minute Maid.

I also remember spaghetti but not other kinds of pasta, from at least the late 60s in Ireland. Dad used to ask for potatoes with his spaghetti bolognese, just to wind us up I think.

However, up to about the 90s you couldn't get a nice Indian meal in the US for love nor money, and you could only buy curry powder in 'mild' or 'hot' in teeny tiny little plastic jars.

We never had a tv with a remote, a dishwasher, a dryer, or central heating. We had a small fridge and small gas cooker. But that was mum and dad. After mum visited me in the US once, some time in the early 90s, she returned home to find that dad had bought and used a microwave. He was really proud of himself. But I remember him telling us about microwaves and how they worked way back in the 70s on a long car journey. We never had a computer and mum still doesn't. However, I remember playing Pong on a friend's home computer in the early 80s.

Mum is a bit of a luddite. Her kitchen and bathroom taps are the old fashioned non mixer type. She had an old rotary phone until it finally stopped working, some time in the 90s. The Teilifis Eireann man who came to look at it couldn't believe his eyes, and she got a much newer version that week. Back as late as the 70s one of my aunts had no phone service in her house in the country. Getting a phone in her house all the way up the lane miles from the main road would have cost her a fortune even when she had got to the top of the waiting list, and it would mean her phone would be used by all the neighbours, which she didn't want -- she wanted the neighbors to get together and get on the list but there were some holdouts so they were all late and Teilifis Eireann took their time. It eventually happened, but waiting lists to get a phone line and a phone were the norm in Ireland outside of Dublin. Ireland advanced really, really quickly from the 70s on in the field of telecom. It was incredibly far behind and the State-run Teilifis Eireann had a strong dampening effect on expectations.

CheerfulYank · 21/06/2012 05:31

What Math said. I'm a born 'n' bred American (born in Ohio, lived there til I was 8 and have been in Minnesota in the 22 years since). Everyone I know has a smart phone, and no one I know uses checks for anything. Confused

We don't do kettles because we don't drink tea. Well, I do, but not most people here. :) I did have a lovely electric kettle, but I broke it and haven't replaces it yet.

CheerfulYank · 21/06/2012 05:33

Oh, and I certainly don't drive if I'm going across the street! I don't drive anywhere, actually. Blush

mathanxiety · 21/06/2012 05:36

Sorry, twas Posts and Telegraphs with the phones, not Teilifis Eireann.
Teilifis Eireann began broadcasting in 1961 (now RTE). My parents got a tv around 1972, and we were one of the last of the neighbours to have one, so they caught on pretty fast. Ireland was a long way behind a lot of Europe and the US too. I think the BBC was up and running from the 1930s?

AdventuresWithVoles · 21/06/2012 09:38

Considering how nonchalantly the British use the word "toilet" it's amusing how uptight the British are about their bodies, and any part of their naked bodies being seen, and their implicit conviction that someone will try to sneak a look (all this worrying about gaps under toilet cubicles). That's not just a US-UK difference, plenty of Europeans don't care, either. It leaves me almost open-mouthed the lengths that British women will go to in gym changing rooms to make sure nobody sees any of their naked bits. It's like an art form, really, how to change without anyone else being able to see anything.

I still feel queasy that kids in British secondary schools don't shower after PE. I gather they used to but everyone remembers it with horror & no Brit teen would shower now, no matter how stinky & sweaty they got. American teens have few such hang ups. We'd rather get clean than worry about someone seeing our bits.

*But none of that has to do with advanced or not, it's just ongoing cultural differences.

Disagree about Indian food being unavailable until 1990s, but again it's where I lived: also, our kind of Indian food in 1980s California was very much Indian lite, not like the heavy oily in-fact Bangladeshi style "Indian" cuisine you get in UK.

valiumredhead · 21/06/2012 09:44

My ds has to shower after PE and has done since he was 9.

The gaps under American loos are MASSIVE!!!

shrimponastick · 21/06/2012 09:52

From the other viewpoint -My Dad lives in the USA -and has done since the early 70s.

The last time I was there he was telling his (American) wife that "no one in England drives - they all walk everywhere. Miles if necessary - or they can catch a bus if they can afford it".

That may have been the case in the late 60s/70s when he lived here, but I think things have moved on now...

Also - his wife was astounded to hear that if a house has only one bathroom that it is upstairs. I am sure that a large number of houses still only have the one bathroom n the UK - and it makes sense to have the bath/shower by your bedrooms right??

Just demonstrating how other countries see each other.

shrimponastick · 21/06/2012 09:52

My DS doesn't shower after games - as they don't have time. He stinks!

dreamingbohemian · 21/06/2012 09:56

Elaine oh I'm sure UK electricians are capable of wiring bathrooms but yes I agree with yellow's Colombian friend that it seems a bit infantilising to say Brits can't handle sockets in bathrooms when the rest of the world can Smile

math I think the thing I miss most about the US is the hot water! I honestly never thought about hot water my entire life, had never seen or touched a boiler, and I struggled a lot in the UK with learning what I called boiler massage (basically all the tiny things you have to do to keep the boiler happy and working... and all the insane little buttons and mechanisms to trick it into working). And don't get me started on prepaid gas cards, good lord.

I know Americans can have a reputation for cheerful can-do spirit and I tend to think it comes from our conquering of the hot water gods.

GrimmaTheNome · 21/06/2012 09:57

Its funny the things you take for granted in one country. When I lived in the US for a couple of years around 1990, I was stunned that there were no cat's eyes in the roads - even the white paint didn't seem so reflective so it was quite hard to drive at night. This was in Pennsylvania, there was a sudden upgrade when you rolled into Maryland!

I remember trawling round a big supermarket and there being absolutely no mango chutney.

CuriousMama · 21/06/2012 10:04

I remember going for a meal in the 90s with some high flying Americans. The wife thought we still had outside loos Grin

IamtheZombie · 21/06/2012 10:12

Christmas 1981. Zombie was still living in Virginia. British b/f was visiting. Zombie did Christmas dinner for about a dozen people. She served frozen brussel sprouts. (Disclaimer: At this time she did not know that brussel sprouts were a staple British winter vegetable. It was just chance that she decided to serve them.) British b/f was shocked that she hadn't used fresh sprouts. He didn't believe her when she said that she'd never seen fresh sprouts in the supermarket. Cue a day spent trailing around at least a dozen supermarkets in search of the elusive fresh sprout. None were found.

British b/f still wasn't convinced until this was confirmed by Zombie's boss (owner and chef of a very successful wine bar / restaurant).

AdventuresWithVoles · 21/06/2012 10:25

In California we have Yellow lines to divide opposing lanes of traffic.
In UK, all road lines are white. You have to pay attention to how dashed or not they are, and watch what local traffic do, to figure out which lanes are on your side or theirs. I can't get the hang of it. I want Yellow dividing lines, dammit.

squeakytoy · 21/06/2012 10:30

My british friends who live in California all miss curry and decent indian food.

When two californians came to stay with us for the first time, we took them to Jimmy Spice (an indian/asian buffet) so that they could sample different things, and they found the tastes too weird for them.

squeakytoy · 21/06/2012 10:38

My cali friend wanted to have a go at driving here, but was terrified because the roads are so narrow and the oncoming traffic so close. She would sit clutching the sides of the seat when we drive anywhere.

She lives just outside LA, and even in quiet residential areas of Santa Clarita the side roads are two or three lanes wide on each side of the road..

Eventually she took to the wheel on a drive round Richmond Park as we decided that was probably the only place where she would feel safe.. she was still shaking with fear and laughing so much.

I found driving out there fairly easy most of the time, no roundabouts, and the turn right on a red light if nothing is coming from the left is great, but the 405 freeway into LA at rushhour was not for the faint hearted. They do not have laws about undertaking on the inside there and very few people indicate. It is very much a free for all. On our first trip which was from LA to San Diego there was a huge pile up on the other side of the freeway, as two cars both went into the same gap, and collided side on, with debris flying up over onto our side.. scary!

The drive from LA to San Francisco was great though, despite it being one very very long road. I found it fascinating to see all the trucks carrying oranges, garlic, onions, just ambling up the freeway.

Driving through Death Valley was also amazing and something I would love to do again.

KitCat26 · 21/06/2012 10:45

Adventures On the cultural differences - An American lady asked me where the public bathrooms are yesterday in Kensington Gardens in London. I'm pretty sure she wanted a wee not a bath though Wink. She was really nice. I may have used the word 'toilet' or 'loo' back to her though hope i didn't shock her.
Also I'm not too shy of being naked getting changed or stuff like that now but showering at secondary school after sports Cold showers, muddy floors and pubes all over the place meant my entire year group avoided them. Yuk. Not sure how the pubes got there though, obviously someone was showering!

We have a tumble drier (line dry on dry days though) but not a dish washer. I will be getting one. My mum doesn't have either. My DMIL used to boil up the washing in a copper in the laundry room (no bathroom), then it was replaced with twin tubs (not even sure what these are). Eventually (late 60s) the council refitted the laundry room as a bathroom. Now she has a washing machine and separate tumble drier- I think she deserves it!

With the sockets in the bathroom thing, arent there shaver points in some bathrooms? Therefore couldn't they just make hairdryers with the two pronged plugs?

mummytime · 21/06/2012 10:45

Shaped pasta was very common in the early 80s, in fact you could get far more choice of whole wheat pasta then than now (I was at Uni and ate a lot). A friend's family had a dishwasher from the early 60s.
The US hasn't had a large Indian community so not much curry, although there are good places to get a curry in certain big cities ( NYC and Chicago). I bought a small kettle in Woolworths in Chicago in about 1994, but it did take a while to boil.
Showers in school used to be communal in the Uk, which led to either teachers patrolling them (and seeming a bit pervy) or as happened at my school bullying happening; once you've had urine poured over you in the showers you would prefer your kids were smelly. Of course UK school sports facilities are nothing like as swanky as MC US ones, but then UK schools don't make money out of school matches (hardly anyone watches).

But then of course the UK and the US have followed different paths for 400 years, and really don't understand each other much. For instance what do you think democracy is? Should we vote in secret? Why?

ElaineBenes · 21/06/2012 10:46

I know Americans can have a reputation for cheerful can-do spirit and I tend to think it comes from our conquering of the hot water gods.

Grin

I think the British see lack of hot-water/heat and also ac in the summer (gloriously air conditioned subway cars which I adore after dreading summer commutes on the tube) as being character building.

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