To state that the police is going to the DOGS (THE DOGS I TELL YA) with the appointment of Tom Wilson?

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The entire MET is frothing.

Police catch criminals. Firemen save people from fires. Doctors cure illness. Teachers indoctrinate children and nurses wipe bottoms.

They are just jobs. They arent 'taking one for the team' with a lower salary and large pension to make up for it, as the public sector is now better paid than the private sector. There is no reason why we should gold plate the payment for them when we dont need to. And the payment levels in these professions are a throwback to the unionised 70s.

Today - such deals are unjustified and unaffordable. Thats why all parties, be they right wing baby eating Tories or left wing spend other peoples money Labour, intend to reform.

and he is a really strange guy. Obsessed with trains and just works 20 out of 24 hours and never stops

Obsessed with trains, that'll be useful

I wonder if they might arm the police, so we will ed up with a squad of private community officers who are pretty powerless and a crack armed police force.

Then all the wastrels who languish in jail at present will be 6 feet under, thereby saving the gov a fortune

I am not a police officer :)

I trust as you wield your mighty powers you also deploy more accurate powers of reading :)

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They're all just jobs? Implying that anyone could do them? I'd LOL but this is MN.

Look, you sound genuinely nasty, sneery and spiteful. I can well believe you are a Tory.

Modernisation I hate that word. Bandied about as a synonym for improvement.

The Fire Service has been modernised and if you think you sleep safer in your beds for it then you need your bumps feeling frankly. When the Police force is modernised we (the public) won't be better off for it.

xkittyx Who are your remarks pointed towards?

Same as the NHS saggers and education if Mr Gove has his way. Profit making state schools don't you know (profit for the companies running them). But that's modernisation folks.

I think Xkittyx is talking to Look.

"They're all just jobs? Implying that anyone could do them? I'd LOL but this is MN."

Yeah anyone can do them with training. They are just jobs. You aren't precious snowflakes.

The only exception is training to be a Doctors of course. Need a bit of brains for that.

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Look, you certainly do like to over simplify, "Police catch criminals" yep, but that is only a small part of what they do. "The public sector is better paid than the private sector" really, does that mean everyone in the public sector is better paid than those in the private sector? I sincerely doubt it!

As far as they are just jobs and anyone could do them, again I have to strongly disagree. Could anyone really stay up all night, then be on the ball enough to deal with a fatal RTC? Can everyone keep their temper while dealing with a paedophile, and discussing their crimes, or while being spat at, punched, kicked, but remain professional and not retaliate?

My husband is in the police in NI. As I have said in previous threads re how easy the Police have it etc - in the past few months he has sat with parents and went out and looked for runaway teenagers. Dragged two suicides out of the water, both dead. Attended and stayed with parents whose child has just died from SIDS - attended postmortems, chased down feckless "metal" thieves. Dealt with violent domestics (which he says are the hardest/most frightening situations to deal with) and tried to help people who have just been cast aside in society especially those with mental health issues who feel they have been abandoned due to cuts.

Oh, he has to carry a gun, we've had to move house, we lie about what he does for a living to both friends, family and our children and he has to check under his car to make sure there's not a bomb under it in the morning. All this for a grand total of £32,000 pa and him paying into his pension is crippling us at the minute - piece of piss job

It's just a job .

Tell that to the DC on our personal radio last night , who almost got stabbed with a screwdriver , going to investigate a suspicious male lurking by a school in the early hours of this morning.

Or the armed officers whom had to carry out armed stops on suspects, knowing that if they actually have to use that firearm, that that split second decision will be dissected for months and maybe years to come ( and actually welcome that ) , but may ultimately end up in a court appearance .

Or people like me, who put their personal driving licence at risk, every time they switch the blue lights on, with the knowledge that should something go wrong , they WILL be judged guilty of wrong doing instantly , until proved innocent . The same people who have all annual leave cancelled this summer due to some giant sports day . The same people who have to ask permission to live in their own houses .

If it's just a job, then treat us like employees , and give us full employment rights . Including the right to strike .

I'm sick of being judged by people who think that the shite fed to the
Daily Fail is fact , so I along with a LOT of Police officers , are preparing an exit strategy. A task I never thought I'd do, but have enrolled on a course to upgrade my HGV licence .

And when G4s starts investigating your crimes , starting with West Mids and Surrey , it'll be too late . G4s incidentally , happen to be clients of Tom Windsor's law firm .

But hey, it's just a job.

"Yeah anyone can do them with training. They are just jobs. You aren't precious snowflakes."

Okey doke then - I'll remind my dh that it's just a job then; that it was only a job when he was injured in by an IRA bomb, and after he recovered, still went back to working in the bomb unit. Or how about the 3 different train crashes he attended, and helped to remove the dead? Or the multiple suicides he's attended, some involving teens?

How about the time he was first on the scene for a colleague who was shot? Or the one who was stabbed?

Just a job eh? Come and do it then.

It takes a special calibre of person to do this, and I've found that the ones who whinge and complain about the police just don't have what it takes.

Yawn.

Just. A. Job.

We heard the same demands for preferential treatment from the teachers, doctors, nurses, road sweepers, firemen and just about everyone else in the public sector undergoing reform. Each has their own special reason why they shouldnt be treated the same as joe public, and deserves extra special payoffs for being so absolutely heroic.

At the end of the day is just dramatics to justify getting paid more than people in the private sector. Supply and demand means we dont need to pay this money - its only union intervention keeping it so high (higher now than salaries and pensions in the private sector who fund it!), and reform will see that we wont any longer.

Any you kow what? The world will still keep turning, we will barely see any effect on the front line, and a generation of coppers, doctors and arse wipers will do the same job for 2/3 the pension and be more than happy to do so. They will know that they are still in a better position than 99% of the country and be thankful for it.

"It takes a special calibre of person to do this, and I've found that the ones who whinge and complain about the police just don't have what it takes."

Mwaaa haa haaa!

I know 3 coppers. Decidedly average people on an ego trip.

look - this isn't just about the pay though is it? Or is that the bottom line for you here; that they get paid more than you think they deserve?

It's about the Inspector of Constabulary being someone who knows nothing about the service. He was previously the rail regulator. That went to the dogs too.

Make no mistake Cassettetapeandpencil, I'm not in the minority. Maybe on this thread, which is full of the public sector supporting eachother. Theres a surprise

There is popular support for reform if you tune out the usual suspects and their screeching.