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Parking ticket non payment

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supersonicmum · 02/06/2012 20:19

My dad is in ill health and no longer ableto drive. They gace theit car to my brothera year ago. He has not registerd the car in his name. All mail relating to the car still goes to my dad. He now has 3 letters and a final demandrelating to parking ticket db got in march.

I am totallt furious not least because my elderly father is so stressed about the fines coming through. I just think it is all so ungrateful when they gave him a car to leave them upst about this. Even if he thinks the ticket is unfair - I feel he needsto pay it and take that up with the police after,

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supersonicmum · 02/06/2012 20:24

Btw my brother is now furious and been shouting at meon the phone beacause told him he needs to sortthis out before he goes on holiday.

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QuintessentialShadows · 02/06/2012 20:25

Should not your father has sent off forms to the DVLA when he transferred ownership of the car?

QuintessentialShadows · 02/06/2012 20:25

have sent

MoaningMajestyReignsAgain · 02/06/2012 20:27

First of all - get the names changed over.

If the parking ticket is a council ticket, it needs to be paid. The driver of the car is usually responsible - Dad needs to tell them who was the driver and brother can deal with the grief himself.

If it is a 'contractual parking charge' from one of the private car park companies you can ignore it, it is basically an invoice and not really enforceable - moneysavingexpert has great info on parking tickets.

tootiredtothink · 02/06/2012 20:28

Phone the number on the letter and give them your brothers details. Let him deal with it.

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supersonicmum · 02/06/2012 20:29

Yes should have done - but he cant drive as has alzimers so didn't. I just assumed brother would sort it - but obviously not.

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supersonicmum · 02/06/2012 20:30

It is a city council ticket. Brother now has all the letters, so dont have the details.

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aldiwhore · 02/06/2012 20:31

Your dad IS at fault for not sorting the forms etc., I suspect that legally your dad is the one who owes the fine.

However, legal schmeegal, from a morality PoV... your brother should cough up.

YANBU to be enraged at your brother EVEN if technically your dad should have sent the forms off.

Hope your brother sees sense. The easy option I 'guess' would be for your dad to pay it off now, and to subtract it from any inheritance in the future. That may sound morbid and a long way off (hopefully) but will put a full stop to this ongoing argument. Its pretty much what my Granny did with her son (my uncle) gave Granny a few year's peace and quiet and my mum rather enjoyed the deduction when things got sorted out. x

aldiwhore · 02/06/2012 20:33

To be fair, if your dad has alzheimer's disease then you AND your brother are at fault for not sorting it... my FIL has it too, and on diagnosis, when he lost his car and my BIL got it, both he and my DH sorted out the paperwork (with some gentle prodding from myself and SIL) so for that, you're all at fault and your dad is faultless.

amicissimma · 02/06/2012 21:25

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Noqontrol · 02/06/2012 21:30

I would write to whoever has issued the ticket, say you are seeking power of attorney for dad, and give brothers details. Also ring DVLA and say the same. It will get put in the notes on their system.

Pedallleur · 02/06/2012 21:36

In whose name is the car insured? Surely your father may not be medically fit to drive and if the car is in his name (principal driver) that would void any insurance.

fedupofnamechanging · 02/06/2012 22:51

It's not the OP's fault. The brother is an adult, he has the car, he should have sorted out transfer of forms and pay his own parking fines.

I'm not sure that your dad could be held liable, if he is suffering from alzheimers, but agree that you should get power of attorney, so you can act for your dad and prevent this kind of thing in future.

AnneTwacky · 03/06/2012 07:25

I take it your db has the V5. Would it be worth getting a replacement for £25 from DVLA to make sure it's signed over to your brother.

sashh · 03/06/2012 07:47

If the names have not been changed is your brother insured?

LRDtheFeministDragon · 03/06/2012 17:27

You can be insured as principal driver on a car you don't own. My brother still owns my car because he's lazy and has not sent off the paperwork, but I am insured the main (and only) driver. They are two separate things.

I think you need to get the paperwork sent off pronto, but morally it is your brother's fault and I would be really cross with him for stressing out your dad - it is so much worse for anyone with memory issues so I imagine it must be really upsetting for him. Sad

Short term, can you afford to pay the fine, just to stpp the letters coming and worrying him?

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supersonicmum · 03/06/2012 22:27

Thanksfor all your advicehowever, I think many of you are missing the point. Iam aware that the paperwork should have been in my brothers name. It should have been sorted. He has been legelly insuredon the car.

The point is just I am right to demand my brother pays it nowand be outraged that he wont.

He wont on the basis that he thinks it was unfairly given so is contesting it.

That might be the case which I think he is at liberty to do at his own home but now when all the mail relating comes to my dad.

Plus he is leaving the country soon for months - so no doubt he will leave with this still hanging over us.

My brother called me toask if any letters had gone to dads for him I began by mentioning the parking ticket one - my brother just started ranting at me so I hung up.

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Redbindy · 03/06/2012 22:37

Your father is not responsible if he was not driving. Someone from your family needs to contact the council and inform them of the situation. Also let them know that your father will contest any fine at an Independent Tribunal.

mercibucket · 03/06/2012 22:46

Your brother can't contest it - it has to be the registered keeper (at least that was the rule when I got my ticket and dh refused to contest it) - has he actually spoken to the council to see if he is able to contest it?
He should sort out the paperwork and is being a twat. Maybe having to pay a ticket (on moral grounds) that he doesn't think he should pay will make him see why he has to transfer ownership

mercibucket · 03/06/2012 22:48

It's a parking ticket, not a driving ticket, right? Driving tickets belong to the driver, parking to the registered keeper (or so I believe)

mercibucket · 03/06/2012 22:48

It's a parking ticket, not a driving ticket, right? Driving tickets belong to the driver, parking to the registered keeper (or so I believe)

LRDtheFeministDragon · 03/06/2012 22:57

Yeah .... but even if that's right merci (and I expect it is but I didn't know, so thanks) - surely it is morally right for the brother to pay? I don't understand at all why he would not just do that.

mercibucket · 03/06/2012 23:00

I absolutely agree! He should pay and is being a twat. It is really annoying to get an undeserved parking ticket - been there done that - but he's going to have to suck it up 'as he hasn't sorted out the paperwork!'

mercibucket · 03/06/2012 23:00

I absolutely agree! He should pay and is being a twat. It is really annoying to get an undeserved parking ticket - been there done that - but he's going to have to suck it up 'as he hasn't sorted out the paperwork!'

HecateTrivia · 04/06/2012 08:09

Yes, your brother needs to pay the fines. The correct way to contest is surely to pay the fines and THEN appeal them. Otherwise, if they don't uphold your appeal - you're paying more?

You need to transfer ownership of the car. Yes, your brother should have done it but he didn't and now you know he didnt, you have to make sure it's done.

Phone the DVLA, explain the situation - including the date your dad gave your brother the car, make sure they know that as far as you knew, your brother had completed the paperwork and it has just come to light that he did not.

Your brother isn't going to sort it, so - for your dad's sake - you have to.

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