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To be completely frustrated at the justice system in this country?

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Joolyjoolyjoo · 18/05/2012 22:53

Background: last year I had a horrible experience with a drunk/ drugged up aggressive guy coming into my business hurling abuse and making threats. His complaint was unfounded and I had already had him in the day before and said he could have his money back, just to get rid of him. He then calmed down and said he only wanted half the money (as I pointed out to him that we had done nothing wrong, and he agreed!) He signed a form to say he was happy with the agreement, but then appeared drunk/ drugged and abusive again the next night and refused to leave.

As there was only me and my younger female nurse there, we called the police, who, despite the police station being literally 5 minutes up the road and us calling them pleading them to come 4 times, took 45 minutes to arrive, by which time I was really upset, especially given the nature of some of the threats, invoking local "known" bigmen etc. I just wanted him removed, and the police did arrest him when they came. Finally. So far, ok (ish)

But then we were cited to appear in court as witnesses against him. It was a huge hassle, as I had to arrange cover (am sole proprietor and can't close the business- am a vet). The court paid costs, but it was still a huge inconvenience for my business, where most of my regular clients want to see me. But I did it, and we went to court, sat for hours to be finally told that it was "too windy" and the case had been adjourned, to April.

So last month, I went through all the rigmaroll again, arranging cover, rescheduling appts. Turned up at court again, which in itself makes me hugely anxious, as I have no wish to see this git ever again, and I'm not exactly familiar with courts. Sat for a couple of hours again, only to be really rudely dismissed, with no reason, by a rude and unpleasant court official. Later phoned Procurator Fiscal, to try and get some reason for the delay, and some way of agreeing my evidence so I didn't have to go through it all again, and discovered case didn't go ahead as he had been arrested (again) and noone knew he was in jail Confused. From the sounds of it, there is more than one case pending against this lovely individual.

So! Now I have to back to court again on Monday. Again, the stress of trying to get someone I trust to cover, rearranging appts. And again the court will pay £200-odd for my locum, and God knows what else in legal fees/ other witnesses/ court time. The amount of money this case must have cost the taxpayer is staggering. And I harbour no illusions whatsoever that the punishment meted out to him will improve my, or society's, lot in the slightest.

the whole thing is pointless. Totally pointless. It's only going to serve to remind him of who I am (probably forgotten in a drugged haze) and it's costing so much money to the justice system. As well as completely stressing me out and disrupting my business, I feel as if I am being punished again and again, and I've not even done anything wrong Sad Sad I imagine that it's no skin off his nose- he doesn't strike me as a guy with much to lose, but I do, and am!

Something must be messed up with the justice system. I am just so frustrated with the whole thing Sad

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Morph2 · 18/05/2012 23:00

i was on jury service a few years ago and most of the time we turned up in the morning, sat about for abit, then the people who were on trial changed their plea at the last minute so we weren't needed. Alot of the people i was doing jury service with worked in public sector- council, teachers etc so they got full pay for doing jury service. I didn't get paid from my work for being on jury service so had to claim back form the court (the max i could claim was alot less then what it get paid and i earn far from a fortune), the then bloody court clerk was tutting at my claim and saying ' i don't know if they will pay this'

Joolyjoolyjoo · 18/05/2012 23:19

morph- I think that is a big part of my frustration! I know I am getting my expenses refunded, but, as a taxpayer, I am still indirectly paying for it. And even if your work were refunded, it is still a disruption for them.

I wasn't even asked if I wanted to press charges in this case- I would have said no. In fact, if I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have called the police, although God knows how I would have got rid of him. the whole thing sucks Sad

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Morph2 · 18/05/2012 23:43

from what i understand alot of people take it right up to the last second and then change their plea to guilty so they have wasted god knows how many hours of barristers/ soliciors time plus all the potential jury members waiting around. i think sentances should be gearer up acccording to when you pled guilty.

Joolyjoolyjoo · 18/05/2012 23:51

Yes, apparently with Legal Aid they have to plead not guilty or something?? I agree with you on sentencing, although tbh, I can't see any sentence being useful in this case. Even if he goes to jail, that's just costing more, and it won't be for long. I imagine this guy has spent quite a bit of time in jail... He'll probably get fined, and he'll pay £5 every fortnight or something. I can't see him changing his ways. Like I said, he really has nothing much to lose. And I have nothing to gain Sad

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