to think that this is a bloody horrible article from the DM?

[DogEared]

Yes, IABU to link to DM...

Here

I don't know, the way it's written and set out, the way it's presented makes it look like it's the alleged victim's fault for being drunk.

could you copy and paste the article so we don't click?

This is a completely silly post since other papers are carrying exactly the same report. The Telegraph reports the questions put to the alleged victim by the defending barrister in even more detail.

The defendant has every right to have these questions asked. If he's found guilty then spinning it out will obviously affect his sentence. But people do need to entertain the possibility that the woman in question did in fact give her consent.

But surely if you're that drunk you're incapable of giving consent?

What kind of person thinks it's OK to persuade someone that drunk into sex anyway?

Now I come to think of it, I don't think I have ever seen a link to a newspaper other than the DM on MN.

All drunk sex can't be rape Chunky.

I just think that until there's a verdict then those of us who can only read snippets of the proceedings in the papers should sit on the fence, not assume every defendant is guilty.

I don't doubt that the Telegraph has reported on the same court case, yellowtip.

However, I sincerely doubt that the Telegraph has reported on it in the same way.

I've only read the i today, and I don't think it was reported in there, so I'm not familiar with the story - is there some reason why this particular case is worthy of press interest?

Nothing in it really Boulevard, bar the headline. But twenty drinks is a vast amount.

BoulevardOfBrokenSheep

Misogyny tends to be a slight bit more tacit than that

This isn't going to be popular and i agree about the way that rape cases are handled/reported, but he hasn't been found guilty.

I sincerely doubt that the Telegraph has reported on it in the same way

The amount that the woman drank is in every article on the case.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime

I thought maybe the accused was another footballer or something, but I see from the Telegraph report it's a hunt master (!)

Just wondered because I only ever read the Indie or i, and I don't recall seeing this sort of report in there; what makes this case news-worthy? There must be hundreds of rape cases prosecutes per year. Maybe it's the posh angle, with the hunt ball and all.

quirrelquarrel - apologies, were you saying that the journalists don't hate women, they're just working to the paper's agenda, and people like that agenda?

(I think Paul Dacre might hate women though)
(Actually, Paul Dacre might just hate all of humanity. Probably saves time in the morning)

Master of the Hunt/ pillar of the local community/ relative age of defendant and victim/ lots of conflicting evidence.