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AIBU to not want exMIL to have unsupervised contact with my children>

17 replies

pleaseadvise · 15/05/2012 09:02

Have had to name-change for this as exh has a history of following me on here and may well have told his dm my username. Have had the same username for the past 9 years and dont really want to change it for day-to-day stuff. My story will however be very recognisable to some on here.

History: I have 2 boys with exh aged 9 & 10. We separated 5 years ago, and have been divorced for 3.5 years. We had been together from the age of 19 for 10 years.

Ex-mil has a vile temper. Over the nearly 15 years that I've known her, I have seen her blow up at exh over the most minor things. She has 5 children, and is constantly falling out with one of them. In fact with one daughter she has no contact with at all. They haven't spoken for some years now, and afaik eh-mil only has contact with her granddaughter from this daughter through the daughter's ex-partner. She has 1 other grandchild who lives abroad.

Exh has told me that all of his other siblings have distanced themselves to some degree from their dm. She is known to be very judgemental and critical. She is married to a lovely man (4th or 5th husband I think), and he is utterly devoted to her, she can do no wrong in his eyes.

Her children have had a very disrupted childhood with her many husbands and lovers. Exh once found her in bed with a strange man while she was married to his step-father (the one step-father he regarded as a dad and loved dearly).

You would be forgiven for thinking this is a Jeremy Kyle type family, but no. Very middle class, in fact she thinks of herself as quite the 'lady' and is a former teacher in a v expensive private school.

My oldest son has autism and was diagnosed before he was 2. As I'm sure you can imagine this was a very traumatic time for us. His autism was very severe, and he suddenly regressed from a perfectly fine toddler, to having no speech, no understanding, no eye contact, nothing. My ds2 was a baby at the time so we were naturally terribly worried the same would happen to him. Very dark times for us.

Examples of her behaviour:

When we had been together for about 2 years, exh and I had a brief split during the uni summer holidays. I stayed with my dsis, he with his dm. We were in the process of getting back together and would call each other. She got annoyed with me calling and called me back (getting my sister) and freaked out at HER for me calling exh. My sister had to put the phone down in shock. She never apologised to my sister and this made for a very awkward meeting between them at our wedding a few yrs later.

When I called my dm to tell her that we thought ds had autism she listened to me with a sympathetic ear, was comforting etc. Basically said all the right things. It's very hard making a call like that, admitting to your family that you think there is something wrong with your baby :( When exh called ex-mil, I could hear her screaming at him through the phone from the other side of the room that he was being ridiculous and stupid. Great. He'd already had to psych himself up to make the call, then got that response.

When exh called her to tell her I was pg with ds2 she screamed down the phone that we were ridiculous for having another baby so soon.

She sent me a letter once when exh and I were having problems. Saying 'xxx has had to sacrifice a lot for this marriage, including genetic problems etc etc'. Along with pages of other awful judgemental crap. Vile. Basically blaming me for ds's autism. I didn't speak to her for years after that. In fact I should have never spoken to her again.

She does love her grandchildren (one positive thing about her), PARTICULARLY ds1. One day I was looking at all of the pictures on display in her house. I was holding ds2 and we were pointing out at who we could see. There was LOADS if pictures in silver frames everywhere, most of them of ds1. there was not one of ds2. it makes me want to cry just thinking about it. His little face when we didn't find one of him :(

I made exh confront her about this. She said she would have a picture of ds2 but doesn't own one that 'does him justice'. WTAF? My suspicions are that she is more comfortable having pictures of ds1 on display as he looks v European whereas ds2 looks more mixed-race (I am mixed race). I don't know this for sure, but it really wouldn't surprise me. I've always felt it's been a disappointment to her that her son brought home a mixed race girl. Ruins her delightful middle class facade.

Exh is always having to walk on eggshells around her. There are often times when they are not talking.

She has always seemed to have a problem with me. I have no idea why, as I've been nothing but pleasant and forgiving to her over the years. Recently I've made a real effort to be extra nice, and will always have a chat with her about this-and-that. She will be lovely (to my face).

A few years ago her and her husband moved to the next town to where we live, so saw much more of the boys. She often takes ds1 out on bus and train journeys (something he loves) and looks after the boys a lot for exh. I don't really understand why he needs her help so much as he only has them on average 1 night a week. But they always seemed to be staying over there. I was not happy about this as I felt that he should have the boys during the short time he gets to spend with them (and not his mother). Also he would often leave ds1 with her (all day and night) as he found it hard having the two of them together. He would then do something like play golf with ds2. This would upset me as I think they should be doing things together most of the time, even if ds1 can be difficult. I manage to do loads with them together.

So ex-mil would see the boys, esp ds1, a lot, and would enjoy this. I am fine with this and she helped out when I was in hospital having my baby 2 yrs ago.

About 6 weeks ago ds2 came home saying 'I don't really like grandma'. He proceeds to tell me that she had just freaked out at exh in front of them when he had gone to collect them. Apparently exh had just said to ds1, 'come on then, get your shoes on...' Hmm. She was shouting so much that exh had to leave the house.

And prior to this she had been talking (shouting) about me. Referring to me as 'THAT WOMAN'. Saying I was a bad mother. Why did I not buy ds1 Clarks sandals (I had bought Timberland), I don't cut their nails enough (WTF). Generally ranting about me within direct earshot of my boys. And ds2 said this wasn't the first time he had heard stuff about me, or heard her freaking out at exh.

I was obviously furious. I told exh that I didn't want her having the boys anymore at her house. She could see them at his house, only when he is there. I am not having her spreading her poison any more. And if I hear that she has freaked out at him again, or said anything about me again in front of them, then she is not to see them. I have had 15 yrs of this crap.

At first he agreed with me. Said he has had enough too and she's getting worse. Apparently she's now turning on her (very sweet) husband too. I don't want the boys to be her next victims. Or to be around this sort of behaviour!

Now exh is saying I'm being too harsh as he needs her help with the boys.

AIBU?

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pleaseadvise · 15/05/2012 09:03

Goodness, that was long :)

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pickledparsnip · 15/05/2012 09:07

Bloody heck, no yanbu!

ChunkyMonkeyMother · 15/05/2012 09:11

I have no experience of this kind of thing but I think from the sounds of it she needs someone who will stand up to her, I would call or write her and explain in no uncertain terms that if she carried in with this behaviour you will see to it through a court order that she only gets the minimal amount of contact - I would also gently remind her that you have the boys most days and could, if you wished to, tell them anything you wanted to about her, so she really should be very careful about what she says around them.

It sounds very upsetting, I hope you are ok - she sounds like a very strange, nasty old lady and you know you are better than her no matter what she thinks

rogersmellyonthetelly · 15/05/2012 09:12

Yanbu to be fuming and feeling like never letting your kids near her again, however I dot know if never letting her see your kids again is the answer. I think your ex needs to tell her in no uncertain terms that any comments or opinions she has regarding you need to be discussed with him (or preferably you!) in private at an appropriate time and not in front of the children or even when they are in the same house. He needs to pull her up on the shouting and screaming which is totally unacceptable, and tell her that if she doesn't moderate her behaviour that she can't look after the kids any more. Thing is it does sound like other than these issue that they do have a good relationship with their grandma, and I think it would be harder to sever this than to ask for her to change her ways when they are there

midoriway · 15/05/2012 09:14

I have nothing to add, other than I feel very sorry for you and your little family. I feel sorry for your ex dh for knowing and loving no other mother than this monster, and I can't help wondering how much her existence presence and influence impacted on the break down of your relationship with exdh.

pleaseadvise · 15/05/2012 09:23

wow, your responses have made me cry, thank you. I've got to take dd to toddler group now, will be back later x

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ThisLittleTeddyBear · 15/05/2012 09:26

Blimey. No, certainly NBU. Your poor boys, and poor you, it is very difficult.

Your exh doesn't neeeed her help, how does he think you manage? He has just come to rely on it, and maybe she has come to expect to spend time with her favoured GC? Either way, it's not fair for exh to spend signicantly more time with one child than the other, and certainly not on that either of them hear such things from their grandma.

I do have some sympathy for your exh, growing up with such a difficult mother, but he is an adult now, and a father (of two boys)- he needs to stand up to her.

You sound like a saint having put up with this crap for so long, but you are right to limit the exposure your boys have to this woman.

Miggsie · 15/05/2012 09:31

YANBU.

Sounds like she is seriously unhinged and has created dependency of her son on her so he thinks he needs her help.
He doesn't, a grown adult should be able to handle two children on their own.

In fact what he needs is an extensive course of therapy to see if he can detach from this terrible woman. She is a truly toxic parent and she will want to do to your sons what she has done to her own son. Good reason never to let her near them again.

So I would keep the boys away from her, and tell your exDH to get the book "toxic parents".

Oakmaiden · 15/05/2012 09:31

Difficult, though, because actually you don't have any say in what happens when your ex has your children. He can take them where he wants and really it is nothing to do with you. Which must be very hard.

Frankly, you need to try to get him on side. You can't FORBID him from doing anything, but you can try to persuade. But I think you are going to have to compromise - if he feels he needs his mother's help with the children, then you are going to have problems if you are unmoveable about the no contact with her thing.

I can see exactly why this is what you want though.

pleaseadvise · 15/05/2012 11:00

Thank you all so much for your replies. Its good to hear other opinions - I was starting to wonder whether I was going mad, or am really intolerant or something. It is such a difficult one because the boys (esp ds1) do love her, and she does nice things with them. But that doesn't cancel out all of the vile stuff, does it?

Exh wants her to babysit for him in the evening on fri night. I have said no, that I will have them. He thinks this is ridiculous, and that I'm 'just trying to get my own back on her'. We had words on the doorstep yesterday, he said I can't stop him from letting the boys see her.

I'm not sure where I stand. I don't know what a warning to her will achieve - she will only detest me more, and I'm concerned what she will do/say to the boys. Also the boys would be upset - arrrggghhh.

If I did want to stop all contact with her is there anything I can do? What kind of evidence would I need?

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pleaseadvise · 15/05/2012 11:01

Meant to add that I'm pg with dc4 and am finding this all really stressful. I have a wonderful dp though, and I love his mum :)

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ishopthereforeiam · 15/05/2012 11:48

yanbu - perhaps try the legal section and see if any family lawyers are around to give you a hand with the question of how to prevent unsupervised visits?

YouOldSlag · 15/05/2012 12:06

Poor you OP. I would state clearly to your exH and exMIL that her aggressive, emotionally unbalanced behaviour is affecting the children and she can only see them with company.

I would also take issue with the fact that your exH can't handle both of his kids when he sees them only night a week. He has to grow a pair and realise if you can do it six days a week, then he bloody well should be able to one day a week.

Your exMIL might detest you more, but if she is being so nasty about you already, then it's just a matter of degrees. She's only the fringes of your life, so concentrate on your nice DP and his lovely Mum and the people who make you feel good about yourself.

I don't know where you stand from a legal perspective, but if you feel her behaviour is detrimental or distressing to your children in any way (which it is), then use that and start from there.

midoriway · 15/05/2012 13:27

Can I suggest that even though you and exdh are done and dusted, a few sessions at relate for the two of you to thrash out some issues related to this woman may not go amiss. I hope you are well enough terms for this suggestion to be well received, I really do.

mrstiredandconfused · 15/05/2012 13:47

Omfg yadnbu - what an utter bitch. Good for you op - you must stop her poison from spreading. Exh has to grow a pair - sounds like he would rather expose your dc to her vile ways than stand up to her.

Would it be worth speaking to CAB/solicitor? If there is an agreement in place to say that Exh can have contact, if he is leaving one or both of them with this bitch then surely he is breaching the terms of the contact agreement?

hiddenhome · 15/05/2012 13:56

Legally, there's not much you can do. It's up to exh as to whom the children see whilst they're with him Sad Unless she's seriously violent or neglectful, she can't be stopped from seeing them. My ex partners mother sounds like a similiar type of person, so I understand where you're coming from.

Hopefully, your ex will wise up and dump her. You need to keep expressing your concerns and, hopefully, he'll listen, but he might not and you'll need to face that.

YouOldSlag · 15/05/2012 15:54

Well if your exH won't stop her seeing them, he an at least ask her not to bad mouth their mother in front of them. I don't see how he can object to that.

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