To not want Workfare to spread to the NHS?

[NicholasTeakozy]

Article here. Why are these bastards ruining the good stuff?

Not heard anything about workfare's nor seen any evidence of it where I work but it wouldn't surprise me.

I assume they were all crb checked ?

No Mosman, unless they've paid for it themselves.

WTF? NOOOOOO!

God, he dont half make my foot itch.

can i point out that they have been freezing posts not recruiting closing down wards etc for at least seven years in the nhs i should know thisis the 3rd time i have been redeployed in seven years a long time before the coalition came into power!

A member of my family who frankly is not fit to be around I'll and vulnerable people has been a hca for nearly 10 years and the jobs the have them doing is hair curling. 2nd obs for example, it's gone completely down hill.
If you are ever on hospital you have to be careful and check the person doing the nursing is in fact a nurse. So frightening.

I fucking said this would happen when the Tories got back in again 2 years ago. I said it on another forum that people forced into workfare would be sent into nursing homes and i got shouted down. I FUCKING KNEW IT. CUNTS.

DH went for a blood test at the local hospital today and said it was a 2 hour wait. He has to be tested every so often because of the amount of meds hes on. This is fucking worrying.
If something does go badly wrong with any patient because of this there will be a swift cover up faster than you can say lawsuit.
However if more of the general public had stood up against workfare earlier and not just bought into the media stereotype of feckless lazy benefit claimants maybe it would have been harder for them to get us to sleepwalk into this.

I dreamed last night that David Cameron had had a dreadful accident and wasn't expected to live. WTF is that about? I don't think I've internalised this amount of rage for a long time.

Terry i feel the same. i think a lot of people are very angry. Some people might not show it but it is simmering under the service.

In my dreams Osbourne and Gove would be right there with Cameron in that unfortunate accident.

Why have you all got your knickers in a twist about Gove?

God forbid anyone should actually want to improve state schools and increase social mobility in Britain.

We are not talking about schools. we are talking about the fact that workfare is now in our hospitals

it says that they 'provide refreshments to patients and transport medicines'. whats the problem with that? if labour hadn't wasted all the money in the decent years we wouldn't have so many problems now. if you think things are bad here you should have watched the programme on greece the other night.

ref social mobility - as i understand it most research shows that social mobility reduced under the labour gov.

provide refreshments to patients and transport medicines, the problem with that is that this is part of medical care. I had a client in hospital, LD and very complex needs. I came in to see her at 6pm one evening and she had not had a drink ALL DAY. Well, surprise, surprise, she developed UTIs and was very sick. She was also very unhappy. Drinks and such are care.

mrst - probably good for patients then that they have the extra resource

Yes, because that will be extra, not replacing qualified staff.

A huge proportion of ppl on workfare will not want to be there/ motivated to do well. Why would we want them in such a crucial position? Why did I vote lib dem!!!

It says they are handing out meds. How on earth are they going to double check that the right meds are going to the right patient especially with patients who are not fully cognizant. The medication thefts will go through the roof too. Most of the public will probably ignore this or not care...until a relative,friend or child of theirs is exposed to these sort of practices while in hospital. Then if something goes wrong it will be "oh why wernt we told that this is going on etc" People will be ok about it till it affects them and theirs. Its the "Im alright Jack mentality"

I don't want to go to a hospital that uses forced labour.

I would assume the medicines would be more about taking it from pharmacy to ward than anything more.

That said I still think it's an awful idea. The fact that the hospital Ds is treated at is so good is down to the staff and the fact every member of staff appears to care about what they are doing. With a scheme like this that simply wouldn't be the case.

The article says they're handing out medicines but the source only said 'transport' didn't it? I read that as fetching stuff from hospital pharmacy or other wards, NOT dispensing it to patients. There's no ward in the UK that couldn't do with more people around handing out drinks and encouraging patients to eat. Definately more useful experience than stacking shelves in Tesco.

Anybody who wants to avoid poorly paid labour better not engage with any sort of public organisation. Apprenticeships are being offered right, left and centre and whilst the apprentices do get excellent experience and a qualification they are hideously badly paid at around £100 a week. I have one in my department at the moment. I am doing everything I can to ensure he can get a 'proper' job next. By the way - he had applied for a 100 jobs before he got the apprenticeship. If it wasn't for a workfare placement in a charity shop - which he enjoyed and where he still volunteers, he wouldn't have had an employers reference or any current experience.

I posted about this a while ago.

This schemeis already upand running in Liverpool/Merseyside.

The staff involved have had nochoic ein taking social care jobs,including hospitals. I know a few and they are not suited to this sort of work.

They are being given duties which they are untrained and unqualified for.

The people that are complaining are being branded as having sour grapes, because previously an applicant would have to have had a three year checkable care work history before being considered for the roles that are being given after three days training.

Northernlurker i dont think you are being very realistic. When wards and nurses are rushed off their feet there will be cases where workfare for your benefits workers will end up dispensing meds to patients. Its a negligance case waiting to happen.