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Perspective needed - AIBU to ask for the music to be turned down in a family resturant?

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lucyellensmumnamechange · 05/05/2012 12:58

Before we get started i need to make a confession - This was a "Hungry Horse" resturant so I was not expecting fine dining and a mellow ambiance.

I was however, at 7.30 on a Friday night, expecting to be able to have a conversation with my DP without having to bellow at each other and then give up because i couldn't make myself heard. It was quite unbelievable actually. Now don't get me wrong, im not a kill joy, and it was 80's cheese so at a bearable decibel level woudl have been just right. In fact, i have been there before when this music has been played just now quite SO loud and it put me in a good mood. Not last night.

I politely and nicely asked the waitress if we could just get the music turned down "just a tad" so that i didn't go stark staring mad. I watched her go over to the manager who was propping up the bar, saw some sniggering and she came back, "no sorry, its friday night and we hae a DJ on at 9pm so we can't turn it down" Hmm Must have been about 8 at this point, so hardly party time. She walked off smirking at the other bar maid. Then my DP asked for my DD's pudding and had to literally shout to make himself heard. She walked over to the bar - cue more smirking from 6ft brick shit house of manager.

By this time the music had fried my synapses so i asked to see the manager, who actually squared up to me! Shock I was shouting, he got right in my face and told me not to shout - "dont shout and point at me darling!" (im not joking) I WAS shouting because otherwise i coudlnt have made myself heard. He was really aggressive, invading my personal space and saying "what do you expect love, its friday night and we have a DJ now, you should have known" Not in the resturant though surely, and not so early, the DJ wasn't playing. Had this been after 9pm in a non food pub, fine. Now im no shrinking violet but had i been i would have been quite scared. I told him i no longer wished to discuss it and asked for the adress of head office. At this point he got right in my face and said "im going to get you to talk to someone else before i lose my temper" i mean, WTAF?? Then his wife comes out, and just made it worse - I said to her, i am not his darling or love (as i had repeatedly asked him not to call me this) and she kept saying, Come one love, its just a turn of phrase. Yes, under normal circumstances, but not shouted in my face, it was intimidating. I had to ask several times for head office address, which when i got home and checked the website became apparent was incomplete! Hmm

So, as far as im concerned this is cause for a serious complaint - not so much the fact that the music was stupidly loud (it really was, im not THAT old that i dont enjoy loudish music, but itwas at nightclub level), or even the fact that the waitress was rude (i'll forgive her that, she was young) But the fucking thug of a manager thinking it was OK to square up to a customer. Let alone a customer he was at least a foot taller than. DP just kept his head down (which was probably the best thing to do in the circumstances and he knows im not scared). The bloody manageress then directed her "apology" at my DP and kept saying "well im sorry he called you darling" like i was being precious - maybe i was, i dont know, but not when its shouted at me in sarcastic tones. The lady in the cake shop, the smiley faced plumber caling me luv and darling, fine, i quite like it, it makes me smile, but not some Thug of a bar manager.

On reflection i have seen this person being aggressive with customers in the past when they have complained, no apology, just excuses and pretty much a tone of "if you dont like it, fuck off" but has always been fine with us. He wont of course get the opportunity again.

My question is though was i unreasonable in the first place for wanting the music turned down or should have just sucked this up, on account i was in a lively pub (it wasnt lively though, it was jut the manager and his cronies at the bar!) or was i justified as the music in the resturant area was unacceptably loud so that we couldnt have a conversation.

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WorraLiberty · 05/05/2012 13:02

Sorry but you sound like a bit of a nightmare customer to be honest Blush

Why did you order a meal if you knew you weren't happy with the volume?

You also sound a bit like you've added some things to your huge OP for effect.

LadySybilDeChocolate · 05/05/2012 13:02

Now, you know you were not unreasonable. I detest pubs like that, I go in to eat and enjoy my friend's/families company, not to be deafened by music. I'd make a complaint to head office or to Environmental Health as I imagine the neighbours are too afraid of this twonk to complain to him about the noise.

LindyHemming · 05/05/2012 13:03

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Washingmypaws · 05/05/2012 13:03

YANBU.

Write a formal complaint and ask for a full refund, an apology and an undertaking that the manager will have his head flushed down a dirty toilet be sent for retraining.

YABU if you ever go to that place ever again.

SunflowersSmile · 05/05/2012 13:05

You have taken it this far so I think you need to take it further. Letter/ email to Head Office of 'Hungry Horse'. What an arrogant tosser.

lucyellensmumnamechange · 05/05/2012 13:05

Firstly, the music was not that loud at the begining, it was not like i asked for it to be turned off, i asked for it to be turned down "just a tad" No i have not added anything - i don't need to. I was trying to make it clear how aggressive he was. But some managers can't cope with customers daring to complain and im not one of those im afraid. WEll done for getting to the end of my epic OP though.

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Coconutty · 05/05/2012 13:05

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lucyellensmumnamechange · 05/05/2012 13:07

"Washingmypaws" I have drafted a letter to head office, in my pique last night, so i will review and make coherant then send. I have not asked for a refund as that is not my reason for complaint although we had a shite time and actually feel that a refund would be appropriate in these circumstances.

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LindyHemming · 05/05/2012 13:09

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lucyellensmumnamechange · 05/05/2012 13:10

WEll yeah, i do take your point coconutty, but to be fair, this place is actually OK - usually. I do know it was a friday night, and the music would have actually been great if it was at a tolerable level. But there is a fine line betweeen loud enough to make everyone feel good and spend more money and just totally over bearing and stressing everyone out.

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Pan · 05/05/2012 13:10

What's a "family" restuarant? When does a 'normal' restaurant turn into a 'family' one? Being reasonable, I'd have thought this metamorphosis (if it ever takes place) would be happening on a Friday night..about..... hmmm.....7.30?

You're being a bit ridiculous, never mind unreasonable. And I too suspect you've embellished your OP for effect.

Washingmypaws · 05/05/2012 13:10

Ask for a refund. You're more likely to get that than the satisfaction of flushing the manager's head down the toilet believing anything will change.

Sarcalogos · 05/05/2012 13:11

I agree you are being U to go to a hungry horse in the first place.

But seriously no YANBU even if you were the worst nightmarish customer in the world (which IMO, based on your OP you are not), there is no excuse for him squaring up to you, how rude, innapropriate and unproffesional. I agree with the advice ^ write to head office and demand a refund/apology/assurance it won't happen to anyone again.

lucyellensmumnamechange · 05/05/2012 13:12

When it adverstises itself as such Pan, no embellishment, im just lousy at being concise. LEt me make it clear for you

Went for a meal, music too loud, asked for it to be turned down, refused, complained to manager who behaved like a cunt - there

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dreamingbohemian · 05/05/2012 13:13

I think YANBU about the music. I was a waitress for years and it drives me mad when pubs and such play music way too loud, to me it indicates that they really don't care about their customers. Yes on a weekend night when the pub is full, turn it up, but otherwise people usually want to be able to chat easily.

I think though YABU in how you handled it. It was pretty obvious early on that you weren't going to be treated well in your complaint, at that point the best thing to do is just leave it and complain to the higher ups. I don't see the point in insisting on the head office address, that's just winding them up and it's something you would google anyway.

Especially when he squared up to you, that's a sign to say eff this, we'll be leaving now and complaining to the head office.

LadySybilDeChocolate · 05/05/2012 13:13

It's only in other countries that they welcome children into resturants and cafe's at this time. In the UK children should be tucked up in bed at 7:30 so it's a rare establishment which makes a good family atmosphere at this time. I'd complain, simply because it's unfair on the neighbours and he was intimidating. Then I'd look for a more child friendly place to eat (or go out a little earlier).

NotGeoffVader · 05/05/2012 13:15

I don't think you were being unreasonable at all asking for the music to be turned down. It's one of my bugbears that often if we are out, that you have to raise your voice. Although since DD arrived we've not been out for many meals!

The fact that the staff were rude/unhelpful (however one wishes to phrase it) is unprofessional and unreasonable on their part.

I would say make a complaint but don't patronise that establishment again.

lucyellensmumnamechange · 05/05/2012 13:18

At least no one has called me an old fuddy duddy - yet Grin

The thing is Lady, ordinarily i would agree with you - but it was just that the music was stupidly loud, even if i had been there with my DP (although on the rare occasion i get to be alone with DP i woudlnt head for the hungry horse - id go to the pub where they have live bands and not bother to talk to him! Grin). I also agree with you about going out a bit earlier, that was DPs fault, he was late home from work!

dreaming i did want to leave, but dd was finishing her pudding so i coudlnt.

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lucyellensmumnamechange · 05/05/2012 13:19

I wouldnt mind raising my voice so much NotGeoff, but i actually coudlnt make myself heard, that was the problem

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SauvignonBlanche · 05/05/2012 13:19

YANBU, sounds terrible.

WhaleOilBeefHookedIWill · 05/05/2012 13:20

YWBTU to give custom to a scummy chain like hungry horse let alone expect it to be anything less than a night in the jockey

helloclitty · 05/05/2012 13:21

Pan
A restaurant is a family restaurant when it A) advertises as such and b) has a shed load of kids play equipment in them.

OP YANBU in normal circumstances in a normal restaurant but really Hungry Horse they are so vile. You can't expect anything else surely. I have been once to meet a friend and couldn't stomach anything on the menu so went hungry. Just don't go back it's not even worth complaining surely.

OhDoAdmitMrsDeVere · 05/05/2012 13:21

YANBU. What might seem like a reasonable level to teenage staff is not always going to be what the rest of us find reasonable.

I went into Body Shop once and they were playing Gansta Rap complete with the bitches, hoes and pig killer lyrics.

I suggested it wasnt appropriate for a family shop and got a Hmm face.
Dont care.

I went to Frankie and Bennys once. Its like Hungry Horse. I cant go back there. Within about 20 mins my boys are at fever pitch with all the sodding noise.

THey must lose custom.

LadySybilDeChocolate · 05/05/2012 13:21

I can understand completely. I hate pubs like that, which is why I rarely go into them now. Some have music so loud I physically feel sick and it's as though my head is going to explode. There really isn't any need for it IMO.

insancerre · 05/05/2012 13:23

YANBU to not want to eat your meal in a pub with loud music
YABU to make such a fuss about it
7.30 on a Friday evening is not really family dining time in a pub
I would have just put it down to experience and decided to avoid the place in the future