The grand national is cruel to horses

[McHappyPants2012]

Alot of the horses will be injured and whipped into going faster, it's also a long race course.

I can't believe people would bet on this event

No sympathy for the owners and their empty horse boxes either really. They put their horses in that situation.

The human cost means fuck all to me. I've only looked into the cruelty aspect this year and it's
So horrible

Would you want to jump over something you couldn't see the other side of?

Very sad about the deaths of horses but it is a very exciting race and wouldn't be as exciting if horses didn't have such jumps to get over.

I think all animals involved with humans have a difficult time of it, miserable cattle/sheep on the hillsides in sometime freezing temperatures, dogs not walked enough, cats who never get outside to hunt. Pets speyed. Animals kept permanently indoors eg cattle in hot climates, pigs in many countries. Lots of sad lonely horses kept alone in grassless fields. Poor hamsters stuck in cages and largely ignored. etc etc.

We either accept that life isn't perfect for many animals or do away with them as human pets or food.

I suppose so, Kayano. If you're involved in any sport I guess you dream of taking the top prize and never really think that you're likely to end up as one of the tragic statistics. But you can be certain they're bitterly regretting taking that risk now, and those who have said they'll just move on to the next horse and the next race without a second thought are being

Labradors have webbed feet too. To whoever asked...

Ah, the Overton Window arrives.

That Chub answers my question. When it comes down to it it's about the money.

I would like to know if anyone who is totally against horse racing, or at least against national hunt racing, would find something like that acceptable.

www.horsedeathwatch.com

And there are many who will STILL justify it all. Pitiful.

Ricky Gervais made a very good point yesterday on Radio 5live. ANyone who hits a beautiful animal with a stick to make it run faster when its already exhausted and then when its injured and not financially viable any more its murdered!
Horse racing in all its form exsists for one reason only.... Making money.

Its evil and should be stopped now.
360 horses a year die on british racecourses, every year. If 1 person died playing football everyday they would ban football instantly, it one driver died every day racing cars in britain they would ban car racing instantly but its only horses so who gives a fuck?

I do.
I dont eat animals, I dont wear animals.
I love animals.

Of course it's about money. Like all professional sports.

Overton Window?

Your analogy doesn't stack up. People die on the roads every day but they haven't banned cars yet.

Orlando I was thinking exactly the same thing about the drive home with the empty horse-box

Kayono to be fair I think that is a very good question.

I know at least one member of the family who own and train 'AccordingtoPete' was shaking and crying with fear when their horse went in to the parade ring prior to the race. They were terrified (justifiably so as it turned out ).

On the other hand (I think I am right in saying this - forgive me if I have confused it with another horse) I think the owners of the winning horse had to be persuaded (hard) by the trainer to enter it in the big race.

I suppose part of it is the same as having a child with a special talent and wanting it to fulfil its full potential. And without doubt, horse racing is a business. It costs huge amounts of money to run a yard and keep horses to good standards. And winnings pay the bills.

"Ban National Hunt? You must be mad. Have you any idea how much money would be lost to the economy in tax alone?"

What the fuck? Well, at least you're honest about your total lack of morals or compassion I suppose.

Another National over, another two innocents needlessly, wantonly slaughtered. There's nothing "Grand" about it though it's a national for sure. A national fucking disgrace. Kayano, I agree with you, there's no sympathy for the humans here either.

*Horse racing in all its form exsists for one reason only.... Making money.

Its evil and should be stopped now.*

Jeesh. I had chosen the winning horse, though not bet on it, just chosen it.

It was blooming exciting watching the race, my mum had Sharasharaboomboom and her friend had Seabass. It was a great afternoon.

Get real.

I have morals and plenty of compassion thanks. I just don't see how removing a significant source of income from a deprived area like Liverpool is a good idea.

Overton Window. Replacing a difficult argument with a preposterous argument to make the difficult argument seem more reasonable.

Hence

"I think all animals involved with humans have a difficult time of it, miserable cattle/sheep on the hillsides in sometime freezing temperatures, dogs not walked enough, cats who never get outside to hunt. Pets speyed. Animals kept permanently indoors eg cattle in hot climates, pigs in many countries. Lots of sad lonely horses kept alone in grassless fields. Poor hamsters stuck in cages and largely ignored. etc etc. We either accept that life isn't perfect for many animals or do away with them as human pets or food"

makes

"the Grand National is not cruel"

seem much more rational.

I may of course be wrong.

I do.
I dont eat animals, I dont wear animals.
I love animals.

Yeah, but there wouldn't be cows in the field or sheep on the hills, or horses in the paddock if we followed your wishes.

You prefer just humans.

Not me.

No it wasn't a great afternoon by any stretch of the imagination.

You sound incredibly callous to be frank.

I think Mayisout is being preposterous deliberately, perhaps.

It's Shakalakaboomboom Mayisout.

Huh, cheek, no it's not preposterous to suggest that alot of our treatment of animals is cruel.

I live in the countryside and see the hobbling sheep (they dont' thrive in a wet climate but have hooves designed for rocky hillsides), I also see the scrawny dairy cows, poor things, arthriticy and stiff.

But, to repeat my point, where you said
I do.I dont eat animals, I dont wear animals.I love animals.

Yeah, but there wouldn't be cows in the field or sheep on the hills, or horses in the paddock if we followed your wishes.

You prefer just humans.

As for cats kept indoors (v common) and dogs not allowed to run in the countryside, cruel but fully accepted by 'animal lovers' in the uk.