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to want to protect my mother from her manipulative MIL/my gran

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LemonPancakes · 06/04/2012 14:54

My gran is a very deluded woman who has lived a terrible life. Married at 17 to an abusive husband, two kids with him before getting divorced then falling into an affair with a marked man with 4 kids of his own. From this encounter she fell pregnant, then purposely had another baby to prove to the neighbours that her first child with him wasn't an accident.

Her second children were now her little darling because they were her married man's children who she idolised despite him always going home to another woman. Her first two children who were teenagers by this time found themselves ignored and mistreated, and she continued this sordid affair with this married man- until his wife died, and he then moved in with her properly.

My father was one of the children from this second union, and him and his brother didn't find out the truth about his mothers life until he was in his twenties. My gran went out of her way to fake they were married, even changing her name via deed poll because he refused to marry her :(

She even emigrated with him last year to a rural country, away from her friends , grandchildren and civilisation. She took out a mortgage in her name to fund the move in her 70s to make him happy (she forced my father to co-sign for this)

Now they're in their 80s and getting to the age where they're getting ill. My grandfather has lung cancer, and is still smoking- as well as being a difficult bastard and my Gran panders to him and plagues the family with his over-exaggerations. He has had cancer for 6 years, but since day one he's been 'dying'- by that I mean that every week my gran stages an emergency and attempts to drag the family over at least once a month. Because of how she treated her older children, and because of the affair- they want nothing to do with her. My dad's younger brother feels the same way about his father too- so the burden has been left on my father. Since his dad got cancer he has been travelling to this country (6 hour journey) and at a great cost. MIL doesn't know the value of money and seems to think these little emergency visits are free- but a long weekend every month puts a massive dent in my father's holiday allowance (only gets 4 weeks a year, but his boss is quite kind and gives him a BIT of lee-way) and also his bank balance, as he'll spend at least 500 quid on the trip no matter what.

This is putting huge strain on my parents marriage. My mother would never begrudge my father a visit to his sick parents, but every time he ends up there- he's never bloody sick. Yes, he has cancer- but he's never 'dying' and it's never an emergency. The way I see it as that once you hit your 80s, you've got to die of something- and the way he has acted his whole life, he should count himself bloody lucky that karma hasn't hit him so hard.

He hasn't had chemo or anything. The doctors in Ireland have basically said it's not advancing at a slow speed, and at his age- treatment would probably wear him down even more. He's diagnosed with it, but it hasn't affected his life at all.

Irregardless of this- my Gran will phone up my Dad and guilt trip him into coming over to visit. I'm 20 with a DD of my own, and my Dad even has a go at me for not wanting to go and visit more- but I detest the man and what he has done to my grandmother. This naturally causes lots of arguments and leaves my mother in tears.

My mother has had a traditional evil MIL situation since she met my father and has never ever saw eye to eye with her- and my Gran is using their bad relationship to manipulate my dad into thinking that my mum wants them both to die as soon as possible Shock

I understand, my nan has had a terrible life and I sound heartless- but the whole family have given her opportunities to come back to the UK and live with us, and we'll pool together for a place- she doesn't want to come back without him...and naturally, he won't be coming back any time soon.

I'm sick of all of the phone calls, her constantly calling my father and manipulating him, putting the entire burden of costs and looking after them on him and painting my gorgeous saint of a mother to be some witch who wants to begrudge my father a visit to his sick parents.

Other family members have noticed the strain that my parents are under and have phoned my Gran saying 'if you put any more stress on [my dad] then you're going to have a divorce on your hands' - my Gran said quite bluntly that she didn't care, and wanted my father to move abroad and live with her.

To make things worse, I accidentally logged into my mum's facebook on the iPad yesterday and found numerous exchanges between her and her friends that her marriage was on the rocks because of the way my Gran is acting, and the tensions she is raising :( I'm gutted. My parents had a turbulent relationship, on-and-off, bouts of DV, but when I was 12- they put it all behind them and have been happy ever since...all until my Gran started acting like this.

I don't know what to do.

If I talk to my Gran, she'll tell my dad and it'll cause a fight. I was thinking of phoning up some of the families I know in their village who pop in for tea and take them shopping (I spent summers there as a teenager) and make them aware of the stress that she is causing back home, and just let them know that if my nan is calling my Dad over to visit and my grandfather isn't that ill- to try and persuade her not to...

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LemonPancakes · 06/04/2012 14:54

I am so sorry. That was really long. Good luck to anyone who gets through it.

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LemonPancakes · 06/04/2012 14:55

*married man that should read. Bloody iPad.

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MerryMarigold · 06/04/2012 15:00

I think there must be more to your parents' marriage going wrong than just this.

Not to condone your Gran's behaviour, but...there must be more to it. Can you talk to your parents, especially your Dad?

LemonPancakes · 06/04/2012 15:04

There is not.

6 years of her husband disappearing to Ireland for 5 days a month- missing weddings, birthdays, family events, MIL ringing up crying weekly, my father siding with his mother and pandering to her (bloody stupid of HIM), MIL telling her all the time that she's evil and doesn't want her and her son to be closely, MIL telling her that she's turned ME against her because I don't visit as much as when I was 14.

They argue about it every single week. MIL relishes it and encourages it.

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LemonPancakes · 06/04/2012 15:04

And my Dad wouldn't talk to me about it. He thinks his mother is a saint. Ugh.

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fabulousathome · 06/04/2012 15:05

Wow. That all sounds really tough.

How about suggesting your parents have a holiday together (in a country far away from Ireland) and no need to tell Gran that they've gone away.

Maybe, as you've said that the family would all pull together to get your Gran a UK place, you could pay for the holiday for your parents and present it to them as a lovely gift (for Easter/Birthday/Anniversary or any excuse you can think of).

LemonPancakes · 06/04/2012 15:08

fabulousathome They are going away on a lovely exotic holiday at the end of this year. My gran hates the idea because she seems to think that visiting Ireland is a holiday itself and 'why don't they come here?'- has even asked if they can swap the flights over.

Me, DD, my mum and my nice Gran in England are going on a girly holiday in a few weeks time- she felt the same way about us doing this...

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fabulousathome · 06/04/2012 15:15

Well wow again. What a difficult situation you are in.

The end of the year is still quite a long way away for your parents' holiday though. Maybe a couple of short breaks could be planned for them to look forward to and enjoy before then? It might help them be happier together.

Daneel · 06/04/2012 17:35

Previous bouts of domestic violence as well as his incredibly toxic family. It sounds as if your mother would be well out of that relationship.

PomBearWithAnOFRS · 06/04/2012 17:38

Nobody "forces" a man in his forties or fifties, in good health and independent your dad to do anything. Your parent's marriage, and your father's relationship with his mother are also not actually any of your business.

parakeet · 06/04/2012 18:17

This is not your business. Your mum is a grown woman and it's not up to you to "protect" her from her MIL. If she wants to divorce your dad, then, from the sounds of it, who could blame her.

I cannot believe you are reading your mum's private messages. Sure, it may be possible to log into facebook "by accident", but couldn't you have quickly logged out again?

I doubt you will take any advice on here as you are clearly loving the drama of it all. But you seem to live in a crazy world where person A is not responsible for their actions, it's all the fault of B, because they have always been manipulated by C. And to cap it all now YOU'RE trying to reason with C (evil grandma) by "telling" on her to her neighbour (person D?). Crazy!

Fluffycloudland77 · 06/04/2012 18:29

Your mum needs to leave. It's the only way for her to have any sort of life.

Your dad is a very weak man, totally brainwashed by his mom. My DH would stand up for me if his mum said anything bad about me.

Your nan is as much to blame as anyone. Your job is to protect your dc so they dont grow up with such an acceptance of bad treatment from others as your nan has.

skybluepearl · 06/04/2012 18:31

I think you need to have a calm conversation with dad and explain that he is putting his marriage at risk. He needs to make any decisions himself, you can't do that for him. Be the adult in discussions though, stay calm and fair.

joanna2012 · 06/04/2012 18:35

you cant have any knowledge of what did and didnt go on in your grandmothers early life, only what you have been told second hand, obviously from someone elses perspective.

i would butt out if i were you

Fluffycloudland77 · 06/04/2012 19:38

Good point Joanna2012, we only know what people tell us.

I listen to my sil talk about her time with Dnephew when he was a baby and you would think she was a fab mom who loved her ds. Not someone who encouraged strangling as a form of discipline from his dad.

Theres a reason your grandad didnt marry your grandma.

ilikecandyandrunning · 06/04/2012 19:59

I feel really sorry for your mum being married to your dad and wouldn't blame her if she divorced him. Keep us updated x

AgentZigzag · 06/04/2012 20:14

I agree to a certain extent with parakeet, but most family relationships are so bloody complicated that parakeet can be right at the same time as there being much more to it all.

You are far too involved in these relationships, but I don't think you can be blamed for that because you've been brought up with it woven into the fabric of your normality.

All of these adults should have known better than to dump such a load onto your shoulders, and it must be a lot for you to feel so strongly about what's happened and helpless to do anything for them.

I might have missed it, but how old is your DD? What kind of life do you have away from your family? I'm just thinking of how you can distance yourself from it so your DD doesn't get dragged in, and you can start making a life for yourself without things that happened in the dim and distant past still having an effect on you.

JosieZ · 06/04/2012 20:45

Don't think your Dad will listen to you.

Don't have anything to do with toxic Gran, really your Dad is old enough to not answer phone or not go whenever she asks so it is up to him what happens.

Provide as much support as you can for DM, which it sounds as if you are doing.

Don't think there is much else you can do.

osterleymama · 06/04/2012 23:06

It's normal to be protective of your Mother and of your parents relationship. Unfortunately there's nothing you can do about it, they are adults and you can't save them from their choices.

To say 'butt out' is pointlessly mean and a stupid choice of wording and of COURSE you don't want your parents marriage to break up but honestly, trying to fix things for them will be heartbreaking, exhausting and ultimately its unlikely to make any difference.

abbierhodes · 07/04/2012 00:00

If you go snooping in other people's private messages you are bound to find something you wish you hadn't seen. One of life's hazards!

Your parents are adults, and their relationship is none of your business.

You seem to have a very simplistic view of your grandparents relationship also. You must be very naive if you think it is all really as simple as you're making out.

I know it seems harsh, but really- butt out.

You are too involved to see what is best for everyone involved. It sounds to me like your mother would be well out of it- but that is for them to decide. No-one knows what goes on in a relationship except the people in it, not even close family. Your mum is turning to her friends for advice, not you, because that's the way she wants it. If she wanted your opinion she'd have asked you for it.

The best thing you can do is take a step back and offer support to your parents as and when they need it, in any way you can.

I don't mean to be harsh, you sound lovely. But you can't fix this, and you'll tear yourself apart trying.

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