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AIBU to think hunger games is shit, derivative + not worth the angst?

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alistron1 · 04/04/2012 17:50

My DD's are into this, have read the books and TBH it's not a patch on Stephen King/Margaret Atwood etc in terms of dystopic fiction. The only worry I have about it is that like Harry Potter, Twilight etc young people are being marketed substandard fiction.

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tryingtoleave · 05/04/2012 06:31

I thought it was a lot like twilight in that it was a fairly gripping plot but clunky writing and an annoying narrative voice.

ilikecandyandrunning · 05/04/2012 07:36

Wolf Brother by Michelle Paver - fantastic book for young 'uns

talkingnonsense · 05/04/2012 08:09

Was z for zachariah the post nuclear one? Fwiw I think the hunger games is better written than twilight, and the heroine far less irritating.
But dystopia is a popular genre and there is bound to be lots of overlap- even dr who had an episode with killer game shows.
I'm planning to give ds day of the triffids, any other good recs for a 12 yr old who enjoyed the hunger games?

pictish · 05/04/2012 08:21

OP - the Hunger Games are excellent books. My son devoured them.

If you rate Stephen King as a shining example of good writing then there's not an awful lot I can say to you. His books are for adults, but his subject matter asides, could be cheerfully read by your average 8 year old. Tbh.

As for saying that anyone reading Harry Potter needs to read Tolkien - pah! They are not comparable I'm afraid.

If you want to get all haughty about literature (ironic seeing as you cite Stephen King as a shining example of it, what are you 12??) then that's fine...but the rest of us are happy to see our kids enjoying books.

Harry Potter and The Hunger games have both been wonderful series' - firing up our kids imaginations and helping to develop a love of books. Thumbs up to it all! Boooo to the miserable OP - booooo!!!

pictish · 05/04/2012 08:23

Oh and btw - everything is derivative these days.

The best stories are the old ones. Boy meets girl, good versus evil etc...Stephen King certainly did not invent those dynamics in story telling. He is as derivative as anyone else.

pictish · 05/04/2012 08:35

Anyone holding up Harry Potter as a 'good thing' for kids lit. has obviously never had the pleasure of reading Tolkien.

I have read Tolkien....and I am holding up Harry Potter as a good thing for kids lit. What's your point?

BeerChicksPotter · 05/04/2012 08:39

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pictish · 05/04/2012 08:44

It's a second rate mish mash that kids LOVED TO BITS above everything else on offer though eh?

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pictish · 05/04/2012 08:55

Restrict themselves? Eh??

So if your child reads Harry Potter, then they won't read anything else unless it's commercial and the next big thing?
That's just not true is it?

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lulu05 · 05/04/2012 09:00

I hope any teenager reading Atwood will return and re-read later on in life. And I agree with everyone saying children should just read, read, read then make up their own minds re what is good and what isn't.

ohyouBadBadkitten · 05/04/2012 09:02

surely as long as children are reading plenty of books it doesnt matter if not all of them 'high quality' books? It is quite nice to give the brain a rest sometimes.

Clytaemnestra · 05/04/2012 09:04

Hunger Games is more derivative of Running Man (the book version less so the film) than it is of Battle Royale.

Battle Royale owes a bit of a nod of thanks to Lord of the Flies if we're going to get snobby about original ideas.

BeerChicksPotter · 05/04/2012 09:06

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ohyouBadBadkitten · 05/04/2012 09:07

You are right Clyte, hunger games and running man have a lot in common.

dd (12) is reading Firestarter atm. Does that make me a bad Mum?

bettybat · 05/04/2012 09:08

FWIW I think Stephen King is a really good writer - at least, his work up to his accident. And as I said on another thread, I'll argue 'til the cows come home that he's not a horror writer. He's a writer of people, with the horror element simply a vehicle. And I'm not sure about him being sexist - in IT, it's the girl in the group of friends that bonds the power they all have. Men are either portrayed in their worst light - misogynistic, hard-drinking, mean, to be feared - or if they are the protagonist, they have weak elements to them. They are not just simply heroes.

But it seems like some people have a really limited view of what makes a good writer. There's a wide scope for that - do they produce really beautiful prose, or do they have engaging stories, or do they have the ability to speed a thread along with really good pacing? Can they grip the reader so the reader can't put the book down? Or do they write in a way that makes you underline whole passages because it's just so beautiful?

All of these different elements are the product of a good writer - some authors have the ability for one or two, or all. The Hunger Games gripped me in such a way I read all three in four days, and judging by this thread, I'm not alone in that! There was a spiritual element towards the end that made me really sad in a bittersweet way - but that might be just because I'm pregnant and it touched too close to the bone! I wouldn't say the author writes great prose but what she did write held me in its sway. Is that not the sign of a good writer?

Again I offer the example of Raymond Chandler and Dashiell Hammett. Both in the hard-boiled detective fiction genre around the same time. Both had similar plot devices. Raymond Chandler fucking kills me with some of his writing - it's wild and savage and beautiful and so at odds with the story. Dashiell Hammett doesn't have the same skill in prose but his stories are better - better played out, better paced, better twists. One is not better than the other and I would never deny one over the other.

As for being derivative - again, why is this cast as such an enemy? I don't get it. There is a science fiction book that I absolutely covet, that had me in tears because it is just so sad and lonely. It's about farms of people who are made for the rich for spare parts, and the man who tries to free them. A few years later, Never Let Me Go was published. Almost identical premise, with a few difference in the sci-fi element. I didn't go on some half-bent diatribe about how NLMG is a rip off of a much loved earlier book.

Again I ask the OP - have you actually read the books?

ohyouBadBadkitten · 05/04/2012 09:09

I can see what you are saying beerchicks, but the books have a very different feel.
Long walk is one of my favourite 'return to' books. (Im not sure why except i love long distance walking and often wonder how far the body could walk before it can walk no more)

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valiumredhead · 05/04/2012 09:11

I thin a 'good writer' is someone who captures imagination and HP and The Hunger Games have certainly done that as my ds is whipping through the books and is eager to discuss them at great length. How can that be a bad thing?

valiumredhead · 05/04/2012 09:12

think

pictish · 05/04/2012 09:13

You've seen kids moving from Harry Potter to Spooks Apprentice to Twilight, so therefore that's what ALL kids do isn't it? Hmm

Time wasted reading HP is time they could spend reading something with a bit of depth and wit.

For kids' books, I thought the HP series had plenty of depth and wit. All the millions of kids that have read them too, seem to agree. It is patently obvious to me that HP is derivative and unoriginal, and full of glaring inconsistencies....but for all that they have been adored the world over.

A good story is a good story and that's that. Harry Potter is a good story. You may not agree, but I think saying that reading Harry Potter is 'time wasted' is rather joyless.

They can read less commercial books stacked full of depth and wit, AND enjoy Harry Potter as well can't they?

MaryZ · 05/04/2012 09:13

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valiumredhead · 05/04/2012 09:15

I think HP also did a great job of introducing kids to lengthier books. Certainly not time wasted.

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