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To be enjoying reading this 'Complete Babycare' book from 1979?

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Kayano · 30/03/2012 15:40

I asked my mum a bit of advice (how old normally when they roll over) and she cracked out this gem of a book

I am reading it like Shock

Some choice quotes:
'pregnancy can be a very enjoyable time for women, a time when one can make the most of long days at home and seek out pursuits such as sewing or dressmaking...'

:O

'most women have slight swelling of the hands and fingers in late pregnancy'

This wouldn't be so bad if not accompanied by a pic of a woman looking all bolted and sadly having to lay down her knitting needles. Really!

'rest periods are also ideal times for embarking on practical preparations, like knitting baby clothes'
Accompanied by an enthusiastic knitter.

'once your baby is born you will spend even more time in the kitchen.'

I never spend time
In the kitchen unless I have run out of chocolate and need to make
Some emergency cake mix. I don't spend time in the kitchen now! If I do the night feed damn straight DH is cooking and sterilising the bottles

Thank god things have progressed!

This book was an edition published in the 1980s but you totally
Wouldn't think so! It's from m&s too!

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thegreylady · 30/03/2012 18:28

Yep good old Spock insisted we put our babies on their tummies to sleep so they would not choke on regurgitated milk and die! Mine didn't like it at all so I put them on their sides. I remember my mum saying that when they are newborn you think,"When they are crying they are dying and when they are quiet they are dead"!I remember poking ds to make him move without waking him. I couldn't breast feed and was consumed with guilt anyway.

headfairy · 30/03/2012 18:29

erm oldgreywiffle at the risk of sounding a bit po faced, most women are not trying to "break the glass ceiling" but just putting food on the table.

EasyOnTheChips · 30/03/2012 18:29

I love, love, love the story of the baby next to the fire! How amazing! (sorry on iPad so can't scroll back up and name check the poster)

SomedayIllFlyAway · 30/03/2012 18:31

Ooo, not read all this thread yet, but my mum gave me this book when I was first pregnant!

There is a great quote in it somewhere along these lines
"Don't let your children play with plugs, especially ones which hiss and emit a funny smell!"

And another one like:
"From the age of 5 children can help with the ironing"

PrincessPrecious · 30/03/2012 18:42

I think this book was written for me :) I cook all meals, do the dishes plus nappies and bottles!! I am a sahm though and my DH works long hours.

I was a small child in the 80s and agree that not many of my friends Mums worked unless very part time. Times have changed and for the better in that there are more opportunities for women - however I do think there were quite a few advantages to the times when it was normal for most women to be finacially supported by their DH. Just imagine the whole 9 months of pregnancy chilling out at home. Perhaps I hae rose tinted illusions about the olden days.....[goes back to reading her well thumbed copy of Pride and Prejudice...]

SomedayIllFlyAway · 30/03/2012 18:43

Just to add the book is currently at my parents house 300 miles away, but it is very interesting to see how the advice has changed over the last 30 years.

Takver · 30/03/2012 18:54

The funny thing is that I had a Miriam Stoppard babycare manual that must have dated from the late 70s, and actually most of the advice seemed pretty sound, though the pictures were a scream (some fab 70s hippy beards on the dads).

I liked it better than the modern books I had because it told you things like what order babies generally get their teeth in, and how to fold a nappy, rather than lecturing you on how to make your baby happy Grin

I also had a book called 'Birth after 30' which did seem quite dated now that having a first baby when you are older is so common, especially the bits on dealing with doctors (presumed to be horrified by your elderly and assertive professional pregnant self!)

frankie3 · 30/03/2012 19:07

Maybe in 30 years time people will find it interesting how we do things now.

How we stagger home from hospital within hours of giving birth to cope on our own looking after the baby after being awake for 48 hours and having stitches etc.

How we are so fussy about what we feed our babies, then as soon as they become children we feed them sugar, salt, junk food (well some of us, not on mn of course!)

Housemum · 30/03/2012 19:31

I had the early 90's Miriam Stoppard book for DD1 (by DD3 I had sensibly chucked out all notions of babycare other than is she clean/fed/not ill). The things that stick in my mind (I no longer have the book) were the advice to refrain from casual pot smoking when pregnant, and the decorating advice of putting cork tiles on the floor of the nursery. As well as putting baby in a drawer (no, you don't shut the drawer!)

Astr0naut · 30/03/2012 19:36

My uncle was a bit early - therefore nothing was ready for him. He slept in a suitcase to begin with!

mathanxiety · 30/03/2012 20:00

Yep, one and a half tablespoons. A tablespoon would be a standard measuring spoon size in the US and you can get them in sets with teaspoons, half teaspoons, quarter teaspoons as they measure by volume when cooking or baking. A tablespoon would be half an ounce or so, so three quarters of an ounce of sugar in the pint.

I remember thinking exMIL must be off her rocker when she asked me where the orange juice for little 2-day old DD1 was when she came to help after she was born.

I was told that I slept in a drawer when I first arrived, back in the 60s. My parents didn't shut it closed afaik, and it was taken out of the chest (at least I hope it was). I wasn't early, and they hadn't decided on a name for me either..

threestars · 30/03/2012 20:05

My grandmother passed on a fantastic book to my mum, "The Chelsea Babies Club, Recipes for Food and Conduct" published in 1943.

It dedicates a whole chapter to Fresh Air, suggesting that a baby is provided with 8 - 9 hours of fresh air a day, "and more still than this in the summer months". No garden? "a safe and practial wire cage, fitted to a window, is the best means of obtaining what is wanted...In summer 12 or 16 hours can often thus be passed in the open, and we know of several who have spent the whole 24 hours in their cages. The value to their health is incalculable"

There is an advertisement for a cage at the back of the book with a photograph of a baby in one. The advert states "The parents live at the top of a high building and outings for the baby are difficult to arrange. Yet by the simple contrivance of a wire cage fitted to the window-sill an almost limitless amount of open air was made available."

Shock
mathanxiety · 30/03/2012 20:16

Here's a caged baby suspended high above the streets, looking a little nervous I must say. Seems to be sunbathing too. I am surprised there are no pigeons roosting on top. Surely that would have been a hazard (on top of all the other obvious problems).

Pandemoniaa · 30/03/2012 20:20

An Old Gimmer writes:

What you've got to remember about some of these books from the late 70s and early 80s is that the advice could be risibly outdated even then. I had my dcs in 1981 and 1982 and some of the official leaflets were hilarious and seemed to have been written back in the 1950s. I recall all sorts of nonsense about "knitting layettes" and needing bottles for all these mysterious extra drinks I didn't plan to give my ebf babies.

I always went for Sheila Kitzinger's books. She'd grasped the fact that most of us were militant ex-hippies who had no intention of putting dinners on tables when our husbands got home, let alone spend the working day doing sodding knitting.

mathanxiety · 30/03/2012 20:20

DD1 saw the contemporary window cages some responders to that blog mentioned when she lived in NYC for a year but couldn't figure out what they were for.

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TheSurgeonsMate · 30/03/2012 20:39

I would really love one of those cages! If you click through to the description of the patent you see that it has anti-theft properties, which is reassuring, but as a modern mother of a pfb I have to admit that I would probably remain in the room while the baby was in the cage.

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/03/2012 20:50

People are mocking the cage but DD would have loved one of those. Watching all the people would have been heaven for her.

betterwhenthesunshines · 30/03/2012 20:58

Shock at the cages. My Dad was brought up as a Truby King baby. Apparently the strict routines make Gina F's system look like a slap happy walk in the park. If your baby was crying then it was the done thing just to leave them - on no account comfort a crying baby. my mum says that's why he's so unresponsive to any emotional situation!

I have a Reader's Digest book of 1000 Family Games published 1972 that has sections like: Games for the mentally retarded, pencil-and-paper games for teenagers ( can you imagine!), solitary activities for teenagers (no -not that) , games for an adult party.... will find a few choice entries, hang on....

Jidget · 30/03/2012 20:59

My mum gave me a pregnancy & baby book from when she had me in the 1950s. (A bit like Emma's diary)

Some of the hilarious comments:

'I wouldn't describe contractions as pains, just sensations. (I honestly wondered how I'd know when I was in labour).

'Baby will feed at 6, 10, 2 & 6 and sleep in between.' (This was the bit where I couldn't understand when I would fit in bathing my baby).

'Before your husband Hmm arrives home from work, take time to change your dress, re-apply your lipstick and put a ribbon in your hair.' (Since I didn't have a husband or a ribbon I didn't know what I was supposed to do at this point).

AllPastYears · 30/03/2012 21:08

More time in the kitchen once the baby arrives? Far less time in my case - every time I tried to do any chores, DD would cry Confused. I would have been please to go and peel potatoes for a bit of peace, but no such luck Grin.

OP, I'm surprised your mum didn't bin that book years ago. I had one called something like "What to expect when you're expecting," I'd quote from it directly but have long since binned it. It included such gems as, "Eat healthily - no white pasta, only brown. Don't deny yourself treats though - a slice of pie or a piece of cake once a month is fine." Yes, really! Confused Oh, and "If your friends are going to a fast food restaurant when you're pregnant and you want to go along, go with them and just ask for a salad." ( If I ate like that when pregnant, I would have died of hunger Grin.)

babyboomersrock · 30/03/2012 21:14

I was a Truby King baby - born in 1947. My mother did breastfeed us, but it was four-hourly from the start, to the minute. She thought she was doing the best for us by giving us a routine, she said. She shared Truby King's idea that too much fussing and cuddling "spoiled" a child, so she rarely cuddled us. We had a good daddy, though, and he was far more demonstrative.

Night feeds were never given, not even to newborns. If a baby woke through the night, the most it would have was a sip of boiled water from a cup. Crying was "good for the lungs", and in any case, a crying baby whose cries are ignored soon learns not to cry.

We were put out in the garden to sleep in the pram - or cry - between feeds, in all weathers (and this was Scotland). Mother used to tell me that my brother would cry furiously, so much so that an elderly neighbour used to come to the door to tell her "the wean's been greetin' for an hour". Mum would tell her that it wasn't time for his feed and that he'd be picked up when it was time. I, on the other hand, "never cried much".

Needless to say, my brother and I have had depressive episodes all our lives. Possibly our mother shouldn't have had children - her own childhood had been tragic and she seemed incapable of putting her babies first. Perhaps fortunately, she started a business when we were tiny, and our care was then left to others, though we really wanted her, despite everything.

Oh, and "holding out". Nappies were a huge chore for a 40s mother, so it was in her interests to prevent as many dirty ones as possible. Holding a baby out (over a potty) after a feed was the norm; if you held the baby long enough, something would be produced. My mother didn't believe in rubber pants either, so we were put in a terry nappy with a muslin one underneath, with a rubber sheet on the cot under the cotton one - I did tell her I thought we must have been soaked through by morning, but she claimed we were fine. Perhaps we were deydrated and therefore not weeing much??

To end on a positive note, my own children have been a joy to me, and proof that you can't ruin a child by loving it. My brother's the same - we used to sit and hold our babies and wonder how our mother could have deprived herself of that pleasure.

AwkwardMary · 30/03/2012 21:16

THis is great....I used to have a 1950s book of health for girls and one gem was something like "When you make friends with boys, don't be tempted to become too involved...too close. It is better to keep a distance and make him work for your attentions."

It also had a gem about masturbation being very unhealthy and possibly dangerous!

AwkwardMary · 30/03/2012 21:20

Oh my lord at the baby cages! Shock Grin My Mum told me that my moses basket was plastic...can you imagine how sweaty?

Kayano · 30/03/2012 21:30

My mum actually had the book before she had me (born in 85!)

She adopted me and bought it to read advice of the time so she could answer the adoption questions and satisfy ss!

It
Worked!

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