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To challenge this woman on her behaviour? (sorry, long)

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Annoyedbygossip · 20/03/2012 22:26

I am in a middle management role in a large organisation. I recently had to sack someone after a long process of trying to tackle poor performance. She was a nice woman but not at all able to do the job that was required of her. Unfortunately, she had serious mental health issues which affected her perceptions of reality, and this made it hard for her to understand where she was going wrong. I therefore took lots of advice at every stage of the process, made reasonable adjustments, put masses of support in place, but after two years, it was clear that she was not capable of making the improvements that were required of her. She was not interested in redeployment and so we had to let her go.

She happened to be very friendly with another woman who is a manager on my level, who has some limited contact with me and other members of my team. I had the distinct impression that this other manager was attempting to stir up trouble while I was trying to take the employee through the capability procedures, but wasn't quite sure what was going on, so I let it go.

Today I learned that, since her friend was sacked from the organisation, this manager has been gossiping in fairly public meetings about what she thinks happened. This was reported back to me by someone who knew the true circumstances in which the employee was sacked, and it's clear that the version this manager is freely discussing with other people has been seriously distorted.

I'm not surprised that she has a distorted view as she has heard it from her friend, who is psychotic. However, she must also know that there were serious performance issues with this employee, as the employee applied for a much lower grade job in this manager's department and didn't get it - in fact, they readvertised it because they didn't find anyone suitable.

I know that gossip happens in all organisations, but had assumed that a manager might realise there are two sides to every story. Hmm. TBH, I am Shock and Angry that a manager at this level would not know better than to gossip about such sensitive issues to all and sundry, and I'm furious that I am being accused of treating this employee badly when, god knows, I bent over backwards to try and help her. Needless to say, I am not in a position to defend myself in any way, as the details of the case are naturally confidential. Apparently, this manager has form for behaving like this - I am disgusted at her lack of professionalism.

I know I would be within my rights to submit a grievance against this other manager, as there are several people who witnessed what she said. However, I don't want to make things awkward for those witnesses, so I'd rather not go down that route. So should I just suck it up, accept that she is an unprofessional bitch and let it go? Or do I ask her why she made the comments that she did, tell her how unfair I felt they were and how surprised I was that she would discuss these issues publicly, and then just watch her squirm.

I will probably mention it to my boss either way, but he doesn't line manage the other manager, so doubt there is much that he can do. AIBU to want to say something to this woman, or am I just overreacting about the whole thing. (FWIW, the allegations are pretty serious and wholly unfounded - as far as I'm concerned, they are libellous.)

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MrsKittyFane · 21/03/2012 08:47

To add... if you haven't then you would be right to watch your back :(

LovesBeingWearingSkinnyJeans · 21/03/2012 08:51

Defo talk to your boss at tge very least they should have a quiet word .

PurplePidjin · 21/03/2012 08:53

Could you, or someone higher, send a group email to remind everyone of the company's confidentiality policy? Make sure you get a sentence in about discussing medical issues

janelikesjam · 21/03/2012 09:25

Confronting someone who is "out to get you" in the workplace can often seriously backfire. Could get emotional, its unlikely she will be truthful anyway, and she may use your confrontation against you.

I agree with "playing by the book". It sounds like you have a genuine grievance (plus your own self-respect, professional standing and wish to have this woman's behaviour documented). I think you need proper HR advice. Or even legal advice. Play it by the book. Keep calm. Keep cool. Go through the proper channels.

treadwarily · 21/03/2012 09:50

At my work, she would be hauled up for her behaviour as we have specific rules about negative talk about colleagues, the company or clients.

Depending on the severity of her minxing, she would receive a verbal warning, then if she carried on, a written warning.

ChrissasMissis · 21/03/2012 10:19

I have been involved in a not dissimilar situation at work and I would urge you to flag it up with your manager and possibly HR, too. That way, they will have a record of what has occurred, but that you don't feel a grievance is warranted at this stage. Simply ask for advice on how to handle it. If the situation escalates, or you feel that a grievance has become necessary, you can then take it forward.

EssexGurl · 21/03/2012 12:20

I think you need to address it. As you say, gossip happens in organisations but this is wrong. I worked in HR and would be horrified if a manager had been discussing cases like this. I think you shouldn't talk to the person in question but rather address it through your manager or HR. Disciplinaries and the like are horrible things. To go through 2 years of actively trying to help and still having to dismiss must have been dreadful for you. But it sounds like you did the right thing and got the "right" outcome for all involved. Make sure this is addressed quickly through the correct channels.

TheCinnamonGiraffe · 21/03/2012 13:12

I agree with marshy, and don't underestimate how much influence your boss may have...he may be on good terms with her line manager and be able to have a word. Who know's, if she is that unprofessional she might be on her bosses list as a potential problem herself, this latest incident may be noticed more than you think.

PurpleRayne · 21/03/2012 13:37

"I have seen her medical records, including psychiatric reports"

I hope you had written, informed, consent for that. What on earth were HR thinking of?

tb · 21/03/2012 17:59

I would second those that say to talk to your manager and/or HR.

Under no circumstances would I suggest that you talk to the gossiping manager. At the very least, she could misrepresent your conversation and make a complaint against you to her line manager, your line manager and HR which would leave you in a difficult position.

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