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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think that Peter Sutcliffe signed away his right to a state pension...

61 replies

cakeismysaviour · 12/03/2012 19:29

...when he killed all those women?

He reckons that he is entitled to recieve the state pension because he is now 65 and because he worked and paid taxes prior to his conviction. He is taking his case to the European courts.

I think he is has a bloody cheek to say the least Angry and I hope he loses his case.

AIBU?

OP posts:
sassymcnassy · 13/03/2012 15:07

Its not a problem at all, as I said, knock yourself out. I was merely seeking to understand why anyone would want to complain that people shouldn't get things that they aren't getting. I might as well start a thread about lone parents and their free goats.....

cakeismysaviour · 13/03/2012 15:45

Nobody is complaining that he shouldn't get something he isn't getting. We are saying that he shouldn't get something that he is fighting to get and may well get. But I have already explained this....

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porcamiseria · 13/03/2012 15:49

what a complete fucking waste of taxpayers money , I mean taking this to court

sassymcnassy · 13/03/2012 15:51

oK. But your q was AIBU to think x gave up his rights to a pension when he killed. And your government agrees with you and hasn't given him one. And the rules state he isn't entitled to it. Perhaps it would make sense to wait and see what the ruling is?

NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 13/03/2012 16:11

I think you are focusing too much on the title and ignoring the rest of the OP's first (and subsequent) posts sassy.

As far as I am aware, there are no lone parents currently taking cases to the court of European rights to ask for a free goat. But there is a convicted serial killer taking his case asking for a state pension to that court.

The OP is not BU to say that in her opinion (and current law) he gave up that right, but what is your problem with her starting a discussion where she goes on to say that she feels he has a cheek and hopes he loses the case? Which she did say in her first post if you read past the title. He isn't entitled to and doesn't get a pension under current law BUT he is trying to change that law and it would be too late to complain if nobody protested about that until after his case was successful.

He may win the case, he may not. If he does win it our already overstretched pension system will have to pay out to every other OAP prisoner as well. So it's a concerning case even if the likely outcome is his request being laughed out of court.

It's also something that will no doubt be upsetting his victims families because his name and picture will be all over the press again, and that's not right either.

For something you think is such a non-issue you seem to be spending a lot of your time and energy telling the OP she is wasting her time and energy on it.

sassymcnassy · 13/03/2012 16:17

As I've already said, I have no problem. I merely asked a question. You have to expect that when you start a thread, I would have thought?

a couple of lines on a thread don't really take a significant amount of my time or energy, what an odd comment.

NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 13/03/2012 18:05

No more odd than your insistence that the OP has started a thread complaining that "people shouldn't get things they don't get" when she hasn't and then telling her she should have waited to discuss it until a time you feel would make more sense.

She's started a thread saying she hopes his appeal to the court of human rights, petitioning to allow him to claim a pension he isn't currently entitled to claim, fails and prisoners continue to be barred from claiming a state pension.

You seem to be missing that point. He is going to court to try and win the right to claim a state pension, which he is not currently entitled to but which he may be awarded if his case is successful.

The OP and many other people think that this is wrong and hope his attempt is unsuccessful.

That is vastly different to saying "Prisoners don't get pensions and I don't think they should either so there!" for no reason. There is a reason she has chosen to discuss this but for some reason you seem deterred to ignore it in your hurry to say this is a pointless discussion.

Which is isn't. It's based on something that will generate quite a bit of media interest because of the person launching the court case, something that will prove very controversial if the decision goes in his favour and (surprisingly) something that he may well get some public support over based on some of the replies given on this thread.

That doesn't seem pointless to me, and if early discussion about this encourages people to contact their MP/EMP to make their feelings known, then that is also a good thing. It seems far more pointless to me to wait until something is a done deal and then say "hang on...I don't agree with that."

NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 13/03/2012 18:18

Determined, not deterred.

sassymcnassy · 13/03/2012 20:30

I said I didn't really understand the OP's point. I sought clarification. What exactly is your problem with that? Hmm

ReallyTired · 13/03/2012 20:39

A law abiding person who is in a state nursing home, but is having their care funded by the local authority will only get pocket money. I think its fair to treat Peter Sutcliffe in the same way.

NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 13/03/2012 22:38

No problem. You just seemed to be stubbornly clinging to your opinion that the thread was about something that it clearly isn't and you came across as a bit rude while you were doing it.

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