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To think that Fathers 4 Justice are a great credit to their cause?

64 replies

AyeRobot · 08/03/2012 21:17

I think not.

I reckon we could all learn a thing or two from them.

OP posts:
PaulB1 · 16/03/2012 01:17

How can Fathers 4 Justice expect to be taken seriously let alone be seen as a credit to their cause when they are so confrontational and arrogant?
Point out that they are at fault or (heaven forbid) that a very provable lie or two has been told by someone fronting one of their campaigns then, rather than entering into a useful dialogue, you are in for a whole world of fun!
Laughable threats of court action.
Public declarations that because you don't agree with their 'manifesto' you must have a grudge against children.
A prominent member of F4J even publically accused me on the internet of threatening children!
Whilst happy to use media resources like Youtube and Facebook they'll delete any critical comments or make it impossible to leave comments....nothing like a bit of censorship for cleansing the conscience.
In my experience members and 'Officers' of Fathers 4 Justice aren't interested in truth just their own opinions.

TheWisdomOfSolomum · 16/03/2012 01:38

I have a grudge against children. Well, not ALL children, just my own.

PaulB1 · 16/03/2012 01:44

Sometimes I think mine have a grudge against me!

TheWisdomOfSolomum · 16/03/2012 02:02

Ah my grudges all stem from crimes they have commited against me so its all one big grudgy cycle really.

JL80 · 18/03/2012 13:24

Fathers 4 Justice can?t be a credit to their cause because they have no defined or coherent cause. They are, instead, defined by their methodology and by their leader. This is the reason that they will continue to fade further into obscurity, having achieved nothing, except increased profile for their leader.

Fathers 4 Justice were launched more than ten years ago by Matt O?Connor. They were fighting, he said, against the injustices experienced by fathers in the Family Court. A campaign of public nuisance making was launched. It generated significant publicity. Fathers 4 Justice referred to their actions as ?Cunning Stunts?, but the only thing that they achieved was publicity, much of it negative. This included revelations that prominent members of F4J had restraining orders against them, had not availed themselves of contact with their children and some had criminal records.

Fathers 4 Justice have largely disappeared from public view, the public and media bored by their attention seeking antics. Matt O?Connor launched a new business and then embarked on a hunger strike outside David Cameron?s house. The hunger strike was a massively embarrassing failure, O?Connor lasted about a week and it garnered very little national press. Despite this, there have been plans for further hunger strikes.

Journalists have commented on Matt O?Connor?s desire for any kind of publicity, so it is unlikely that he will disappear from sight completely. He dabbled in the London Mayoral race some time ago but the bid failed. During debates on child contact orders from the Family Court, O?Connor often obfuscates, talking about the riots of Summer 2011 as the result of ?Fatherless Britain? and claiming that 200 children a day lose contact with their father. He does not explain what the Family Court had to do with this, how many of fathers are prevented from seeing their children by the Family Court or what Fathers 4 Justice is doing about it. Instead, he accuses journalists and others of promoting an ?ideology of hate? (without explaining what that ideology is).

Many journalists have stated that the bias against is fathers is a myth and that shared parenting is the norm. As The Guardian put it in 2008:

?A study by the Oxford Centre for Family Law and Policy was set up by the Ministry of Justice to look into non-resident parents being awarded little or no contact with their children for the flimsiest of reasons. Last week, the study concluded that the vast majority of separated fathers enjoy access to their children. Only one in 10 cases ends up in court, the rest having been agreed between the parents. When the cases do go to court, more than three-quarters of the applicants, mainly fathers, are able to resolve contact issues, with only a small percentage denied contact altogether, in the interests of the children involved.?

Fathers 4 Justice continue as they always have. Creating publicity but doing nothing.

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/28/comment.fathers.justice

www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/matt-oconnor-the-man-behind-fathers4justice-406610.html

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/06/no-bias-against-fathers-childrens-act

Rubygloom · 18/03/2012 14:09

All they have done is made themselves look like twats.Saying mn is sexist when they have tarred all mumsnetters ie mums not dads who also use this site with the same brush Hmm

MatureUniStudent · 18/03/2012 14:22

Spy - Imagine being a child walking down the street, hand in hand with a father who disappears and refuses to see or have anything to do with their child. If F4J can compel the determined refusnik father to see their child, I'd vote for F4J.

SophieNeveu · 18/03/2012 14:26

What is their policy on Fathers who don't want to be in the child's life, and will worm out of paying child support if possible?

StrandedBear · 18/03/2012 14:26

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Bossybritches22 · 18/03/2012 14:41

As far as I am concerned they have shot themselves in the foot.

Absolutely NO coverage of their protest (thank god no naked wobbly bits )

F4J seems to be run by Very Angry Men who are not prepared to countenance any other points of view, they heavily censor their FB pages.

Whatmeworry · 18/03/2012 14:46

Meh, they are single cause extremists. The only thing worth learning is such extremists (of any stripe IMO) look like plonkers to the majority of people.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 18/03/2012 15:52

F4J are quality entertainment. They actually deserve some kind of award for services to comedy.

Methe · 18/03/2012 15:57

Every stunt they pull makes me more convinced that some men are such utter knob ends that their children are better off without them in their lives.

Rubygloom · 18/03/2012 16:01

I've noticed that people completely ignore them on m&s fb page.I bet they hate that no ones paying them attention.

LineRunner · 18/03/2012 16:13

F4J are a joke.

NearlyMrsCustardsHardHat · 18/03/2012 16:20

What F4J seem to be neglecting to mention is that the courts sole purpose is to look after the best interests of the child/ren concerned. It is not there to get involved in petty "it's not faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaair" spats it's not there to pay credence to silly men in spiderman suits who fail to pay maintenance it is there to protect the child/ren.

I had an interesting chat on twitter with a man who subscribed to the F4J mantra. He didn't by the end of the conversation as I had managed to get him to see that things aren't done for his best interests nor for the mothers but simply to ensure his children are safe, stable and secure. :o

F4J are a joke. Abusive, vile, ignorant, sheep.

Nyac · 18/03/2012 16:25

I think they're wonderful. Fathers' rights have been ignored and undermined for far too long in this country.

The sooner we get back to the natural and correct state of affairs where men own women and children and rule the family once more, the better.

And they look great in their tight fitting superhero costumes.

Mrbojangles1 · 18/03/2012 16:33

spydiii

Many of these father don't support their children and often use later children as to why the cant pay

If didn't feed provide clothing for my child I would be done for negelct but for father s it seems it's ok

TheCrackFox · 18/03/2012 16:40

Matt o'connor probably maxed out his credit card to pay for the advert in the Independent. That combined with flashing has garnered absolutely no national press coverage. I thought he was supposed to be some sort Of Svengali?

Smellslikecatspee · 18/03/2012 17:44

I was just thinking that I'd seen nothing in the news about this so called huge event, I did wonder if I'd missed it but no

Bossybritches22 · 18/03/2012 18:11

Nyac Grin

Bossybritches22 · 18/03/2012 18:12

Smells Nope , nothing ,nada,zilch.

Not even the Daily Fail Grin

NowThenWreck · 18/03/2012 18:19

Stranded-really? Is that actually true?

MummytoKatie · 18/03/2012 18:22

It's a shame really. I do strongly believe that the ideal is for both parents to get to spend significant time with their children. I also believe that some women do make that difficult and that as far as access is concerned more men lose out than women.

However, F4J makes me forget this and instead wonder why that silly man is being so ridiculous.

(written while dd's daddy is upstairs bathing her leaving me free to go on mumsnet make the dinner.

Napdamnyou · 18/03/2012 19:04

They're awfully into projecting their own personal stuff all over the place, aren't they?
I feel quite terribly embarrassed for them, whenever they do something public and stunt-y it's like watching someone have a breakdown in public - 'look at meee! Look at my ishooos! Feel my rage and pain!'. I have to say it's uncomfortable viewing.

Mainly I feel terribly sorry for their children, how embarrassing having your dad carry on like that.

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