to wonder why a F4J thread was deleted from the mumsnet fb page

[Debsbear]

The thread was informative and thought provoking, not abusive in anyway. Are some mumsnetters so wrapped up in their own version of the world to not care that there are dads out there being denied access to their kids for no good reason at all.

It's Facebook fgs, not the European Convention For Human Rights. Why don't you go and moan about it on the lengthy relevant thread instead of cluttering up the board with this whiny crap?

No I'm not one of "them", did you actually read the thread? - no i thought not. They were not in any way abusive or yobbish. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you believe that your response to my question is in any way more intellectual or intelligent?

Put it on the relevant thread.

I thought you were 'one of them' and yes I did read the thread.

I used to have a bit of sympathy for some of them, until I witnessed one of them assault a woman in public, while all the other "men" stood around laughing as he did it. They thought they were ever so big and clever, and just exposed themselves as cowards and bullies.

PomBearAtTheGatesOfDawn - that's an extremely serious allegation to be making, please provide details so that it can be followed up. Almost needless to say no such behaviour would ever be tolerated, condoned or allowed to go without follow up. Certainly anyone with such a disposition would be excluded were it to be true, which I doubt very much. Are you sure you're not thinking of some other group bearing a similar name, unfortunately many people use the name without actually having anything to do with the official group.

Which is the "relevant thread"?

I don't do FB, and so don't know what thread is meant.

MNHQ is usual the best bet for explanations about that anything is deleted, though sometimes (when troll-related) the answer isn't detailed.

only whover runs the mn fb page would have the ability to delete threads

presumably the thread contained things they felt violated their ethos

what mners think or don't think about it is beside the point

have you considered emailing/starting a thread in site stuff?

Why do F4J even want to post threads on MN or the MN FB page? What is the constant hectoring about? Even if one thread were well thought out and not abusive, so many others have been exceptionally offensive. Why can't you they just take their agenda elsewhere or is it because this site is full of "uppity" women?

Maybe OP could ask for this to be moved to "site stuff"? (And by making the report, might get a reply from MNHQ about reasons for deletion).

But what is the current "relevant" thread that some posters mention? It can't be the deleted FB one. So is it another on FB, or one here that i've not spotted? Grateful for signpost.

Justine suggested not engaging.

They're trying to stir up publicity.

Why do we want to comment here on MN?

Well, imagine for a moment it was not for nefariousness but instead we're trying to better understand why people oppose a change in family law. Is it that our aims are not understood, do people not appreciate what goes on and to what extent etc... Not everyone that visits is after a fight, regardless of the goading. Some of us genuinely want to understand. Quite apart of course from quotes from the F4J being placed here meaning that others like to visit the F4J pages too. Natural curiosity and exchange, no? Bit of debate never hurt anyone, as long as kept reasonable.

It doesn't help when you see comments like 'they're back, F4J's here, spydii's commenting again' etc... The implication is that we are some kind of predator necessitating all the prey to be warned off. That may be the case in some peoples mind but it isn't why I'm here, which is for the reasons outlined above.

Ah so you are a borg like entity, then? referring to self as ''we''

Justine also agreed they were trolling.

But they haven't been banned for it.

They're not like the borg at all. The borg were efficient, intelligent, quick to adapt and successful.

Plus the Borg Queen wouldnt have stood for all the whining and bullshit.

The fact is its not about if any mnetters object it's mnhq you have the issue with. Have you actually read tge sorts of things they put on their own Fb page?

didn't they troll gingerbread or something? The respectable campaigners that they are.

The first time they put one of their inflammatory posts on the MN facebook page, it was along the lines of saying that women were denying their children a voice and were keeping fathers away so they could live it up on benefits, along with a very nasty campaign picture. It was obvious what their agenda was from the start.

They really didn't like having the piss taken out of them by women who could see through the "reasonable" facade - hence the ridiculous threats of legal action.

Ah no YF. They would never suggest their members troll Gingerbread.

On the 5th March they posted (on their Facebook page):

CALL GINGERBREAD TOMORROW - The Gingerbread Single Parent Helpline 0808 000 0000 get calling and ask them to help you because they claim they have the evidence to support the claim that family courts act in the child's best interests but they wont publish that information and your children need it.

(I changed the number)

They were then shocked and appalled at the suggestion they were responsible for any harrassment or abuse of Gingerbread staff.

Chair of the Fatherhood Institute on Twitter:

Nadine, can you say, publicly, that however strongly F4J's supporters feel about this issue they under no circumstances should engage in any behaviour which harrasses or threatens Gingerbread or it's staff? And that if they are found to be doing so, F4J will sever all links with them?

Response to this?

FATHERHOOD INSTITUTE ACCUSE FATHERS4JUSTICE OF 'HARASSMENT AND THREATENING' GINGERBREAD AND IT'S STAFF See the attached libellous post yesterday from the Chair of the Fatherhood Institute, Jolyon Maugham making some serious accusations abou...t Fathers4Justice. Nadine O'Connor is this afternoon asking him for a written apology for these remarks. You might with to do the same. He used to be the chair of Gingerbread. Matt O'Connor