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To hate HSBC with a passion?

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lainey8 · 28/02/2012 21:22

So, trying to move house, to a house not a flat, because 29 weeks pregnant and not relishing 2 flights of stairs with baby & buggy.

Got a buyer end November, found a house early December, applied for mortgage and instructed solicitor straight away.

HSBC approved the mortgage mid Jan, following valuation survey. Ready to exchange we planned to move mid Feb.

THEN HSBC have this new policy to insist countrywide do all their conveyancing. So despite our solicitor having done everything for the purchase we have to pay countrywide to do it again. Then we wait. And wait. 3 weeks later Countrywide send this long list (44 items) of mostly unnecessary stuff. Things like insisting on a chancery survey at £17 plus an expensive premium if it comes back positive, instead of a £10 indemnity.

One final point that our solicitor says is pointless and any normal conveyancer would move without has now been waiting on Countrywide for a decision for 4 days. We aren't allowed to contact Countrywide only HSBC. But HSBC won't tell us anything, promise to call back but don't.

We are now about to lose our buyer and have the whole thing fall through and HSBC just tell us it's in the system. Then promise to call back.. But don't.

If it wasn't for this random HSBC policy we would have moved as planned 2 weeks ago and be happily in our new house.

I so desperately wish we had gone with anyone but HSBC......

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orsettorusso · 31/05/2012 21:50

I appreciate this thread is a month old by now, but I landed here because I was searching the internet about ways to complaint to HSBC for their Countrywide fiasco (of which my partner and I have been victims since Feb. and god knows for how long still).

Just to say that I've just sent four copies of my complaint to various people at HSBC and Countrywide. I don't know what the outcome will be, but given the huge amount of damage that their scam is doing to thousands of people in the country I can only encourage as many people as possible to keep bombarding them with complaints. It has already worked once, as the scam will be abandoned in this present (unfair) form from 1st Aug. due to huge pressure from many parties and the public. Good luck to anyone who formally complains to them!

lovebunny · 31/05/2012 23:10

hate HSBC? seems reasonable. i loathe santander.

stella1w · 01/06/2012 04:35

Had a mortgage with First Direct, subsidiary of HSBC for years. A few years ago raised a small home improvement loan on it with no probs. At some point the mortgage started to be administered by HSBC. Tried to raise a second small home improvement loan on the mortgage and first off was told by. Both First Direct and HSBC that it wasn't,t THEIR mortgage, then that I would have to completely repackage entire borrowing at a higher rate. Cancelled kitchen plans and asked for HSBc to confirm situation writing.. They then admitted they were wrong... I could so easily have been conned out of the advantageous rate I have over a tiny additional equity loan.

lifechanger · 01/06/2012 05:12

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StiffyByng · 04/06/2012 23:28

Our buyer is with HSBC. We have so far been delayed almost a month in exchanging because of their endless demands for pointless documents.

MilkNoSugarAndAShotofWhisky · 04/06/2012 23:34

Am looking to change bank accounts from the fuck ups that are Natwest...can safely say HSBC are NOT getting my custom!

lovebunny · 05/06/2012 02:58

know someone who worked for countrywide. they were terrible employers!

Pitmountainpony · 05/06/2012 05:12

Just been charged 12 quid for a check book....oh and ten quid a month just to have a checking account.
In the US, but that will be in the UK too dor too long!
Hate banks but at least it is free in the UK.

MrsSchadenfreude · 05/06/2012 06:33

May I offer you HSBC France, which won't let you do anything useful on internet banking, such as make a payment, unless you enter the site via Mozilla Firefox. Oh and it won't work at all if you are using a Mac rather than a PC. I got a gallic shrug and "Yes, sometimes this is the case" from the helpdesk when I was trying to pay a bill the other day.

foxinsocks · 05/06/2012 06:41

I am so relieved to have my accounts with HSBC given the experiences dh has had with Natwest. It sounds like the issue is HSBC mortgages and Countrywide and that sounds horrific! We have our mortgage with the Woolwich (now taken over by Barclays). I won't bore you with my sob story but all I can say is that it makes HSBC look like saints Grin

Chicpier · 06/06/2012 19:21

Working with banks can be very frustrating. As a mom with three kids more stress is not what we need. I found a laugh now and then makes the world easier to maneuver. If you are frustrated with your banker and banks try reading "Hot Sexy Banker Chicks" and don't let the title fool you. You will look at your situation and your bankers with a smile on your face.

StiffyByng · 07/06/2012 12:51

HSBC still deciding whether they'll let us exchange. They may or may not make this decision on Monday, but probably later. We've been waiting to exchange since early May.

Nymia · 07/06/2012 14:13

Lifechanger we also used London & Country to find a mortgage, as recommended by moneysavingexpert. We didn't pay them any fee. As it happened, we considered two properties before making an offer on the third, and each time I rang the broker to talk through the options - so by the time we finally agreed a purchase price I'd spent maybe an hour or more on the phone with him before actually giving him any work!

Our guy, Adam was especially great - I could reach him by phone any time I tried, or get a quick call back, and he had no problem taking the time to explain anything about the mortgage market to me when I asked stupid questions.

We went with Nationwide and we did use their recommended conveyancers, who were decent (the other side used a "proper" solicitor and while they complained a lot about our conveyancers not being very good, at least ours had everything in order when they were supposed to, as opposed to finding out that there was no Transfer Deed received just as we were about to exchange - and their client was in Israel and couldn't be contacted while out of the office...) I am a solicitor myself although not working in property, but I have never heard anything good about Countrywide.

Again no affiliation with L&C whatsoever but we did go on to recommend them to a colleague of my husbands who was buying a £1m+ property so I hope the guy got some good commission from the bank out of it!

mamij · 01/07/2012 07:02

We are buying with a mortgage from hsbc and are REALLY frustrated with Countrywide too. The solicitor on their panel is really rubbish and slow. They've also asked for information at least two or three times.

We are really keen to move and worried our buyer is getting fed up. We put in the offer in March and are finally at a point where we can almost exchange. Hoping we won't fall at the last hurdle as we've given our notice for our rental property!

1mike23 · 25/07/2012 05:35

As a shareholder I have been disgusted by HSBC World Wide and I am very sorry for your problems.

Why not send your complaints directly to Mr Flint the Chairman of HSBC Holdings Plc. [email protected]

Let him know what he is doing to a great Bank, please remember he is responsible for what is going on in the Bank.

Regards
Michael

Fabs1981 · 21/08/2012 01:58

My horrible HSBC experience.

I've been with HSBC for more than 4 years now and never had any problem, except once when I've been to India on holiday and they blocked my debit card, had to make a transcontinental phone call to get it reactivated.

Anyway, my biggest trouble started when I decided to get a mortgage from them.

Found this property in June but I was unlucky, it was sold one week after to another buyer. Had fixed an appointment with them in the meantime and when they told me the property was gone, I phoned HSBC asking if we could still go ahead with the appointment, so that I could gather more information about getting a mortgage. So far so good. Before the appointment I decided to use their mortgage calculator on their website that was telling me I could borrow up to 120k. Good, I was looking for a shared ownership property within this range, adding of course my savings to it.

I attended the fixed appointment in the hope of getting a quotation. We went through my income, my payslips, my expenses and so on, and the agent told me maximum I could borrow was 54k, half of what I initially thought. I started to feel a bit disheartned but to my surprise the agent was able to give a so called 'mortgage certificate', which means I could show it to any seller showing them that my bank was behind me all the way. Although the amount was less than I expected at least I had the certainty of HSBC lending me the money I needed for a purchase.

I started to look for a property within my new range, I found the one that I wanted to buy at the beginning of July. I viewed the flat, I liked it a lot and decided to pay £350 to the housing association for a formal reservation that would keep the house off the market. So I reserved. At the association they asked to get everything lined up as soon as possible, so I called a solicitor who accepted to handle my case and I called HSBC.

I fixed an appointment with them again, 12 days later!!! I should have understood at the time that that was the beginning of a terrible experience. After 12 days nervous wait, I attended the meeting with the mortgage manager, I showed her all the documentation requested and even more. She told me that all in all, it would take, in the worst case scenario, a maximum of 10 days for the application to be processed by their central branch. Well, 10 days looked like a reasonable amount of time. No???

I waited for them to contact me and after 12 days, with not even a 5 second phone call from them, I decided to go to the local branch, where I applied (half mile away from where I actually live). It was a Friday, they asked to leave my details and somebody would have called before their office was closed. To my despair, nothing happened. So I decided to try again the following, once again they took my details telling me that somebody would call me as soon as possible, for sure. Nothing happened. I went to the branch again the day after and I told them that I wouldn't have left the branch if they didn't let me talk to the mortgage manager, who I found out was out for some kind of external job. I went back home and I wrote a complaint on their website and only at this point, they botherd lift the phone and give me a call.

The manager told that she would fasttrack the application, even because I told them I've given the notice on my rented property. After a week of short phone calls, with no useful information, she told me on Monday last week that apparently they were still processing the application and to complete it I had to sign and send back some forms that she would have sent me the same day, on Monday. After a week, in spite of the bank being half mile away, and the postoffice is there too, I haven't received anything. Until this morning, I received some forms stating that I accept all of their conditions to go ahead with my application. As I'm hugely fed up, I decided I won't sign anything and I actually called today a private financial advisor whose number was given to me by the housing association I'm buying the flat with. They reassured me that they can do the job in 2 weeks. Thanks God!

I must say the people at the housing association have been lovely, I kept them updated about my HSBC disadventure and they were very supportive and still haven't put the property on sale, in spite of the fact that my reservation is long expired, because they said it's not my fault and they have been told today by my financial advisor that HSBC is messing with hundreds of people.

Hopefully, I get everything done in a couple of weeks and I'll move into my new home soon. I wasted 5 weeks of my life, chasing HSBC up and down. I swear, when everything will be sorted, the first step I'll take must be closing my bank account with them. And I really hope they come to eat in the restaurant that I manage, I'm going to treat them in the same 'professional' way!!!

Sorry, it's very long but I'm too upset!

rwilsher · 05/09/2012 16:25

We were told just over a month ago that we had to be in a position to complete on our house sale and purchase by 7 September.
It was an absolute stipulation of the purchasers's side.
As a result, we pulled out all the stops and are now sitting surrounded by cardboard boxes in a place where almost everything is packed up, everyone has been notified of our impending move, technicians have been arranged to set up phones, broadband and TV this weekend, our mortgage is organised and ready to be applied, and all we need now is the money from our purchasers so we can pay off our existing mortgage and put down the deposit on our new place.
Phew, what a relief!
But what's this?
A phone call from our estate agent has just come in to say that our purchasers arranged their mortgage with HSBC and that their solicitors, Runnett & Co, who are approved by HSBC (indeed used to be on a panel of solicitors that you had to use if you wanted an HSBC mortgage*) have let it be known that despite everyone being in a position to move this coming Friday, it is now going to take five working days before the money is going to be made available! Five working days that we should all have been told about when it would have enabled us to move on 7 September - this coming Friday.
Our buyers have to leave the place they are renting this Friday, I have to leave for a permanent job in the Middle East midweek next week, but hey it's HSBC - the world's local bank - what does it matter to them that people's lives are messed around in this way.
They are bankers after all. And we have all unfortunately had to come to know what chimes and rhymes with that, haven't we.

*on.ft.com/TXjfEx

Tryingtobenice · 05/09/2012 19:37

Just to update, i started the thread (have since namechanged). We complained after our move and to be fair to HSBC they did respond. Initially they tried to fob us off with £200 but eventually they paid us the full £1000 to cover the extra costs countrywide's incompetence had caused. They also went back on the policy to have to use countrywide.

Sorry to hear the other HSBC approved solicitors aren't much better rwilsher....

GreatBallsofFluff · 05/09/2012 20:22

That's a great result. well done on following through with your complaint.

As a side note HSBC now will allow any solicitor who is CQS accredited to act on their behalf (i think, although I only went back to work today and skimmed through the emails Blush )

devon007 · 10/09/2012 18:50

I read this thread with interest - because I have been a residential conveyancer for over 30 years and firms like Countrywide have made our professional lives a misery! A lot of public are not aware that Countrywide are owned by the same company who own Fulfords Estate Agents. If you use a multinational estate agents and they tell you they can recommend a good solicitor/conveyancer to you - ask a pointed question - just how much is the solicitor/conveyancer paying them for the recommend? Very often the information is given to you hidden in the "small print" and if you had gone to the solicitor/conveyancer direct you would have got a better quote!
Countrywide Property Lawyers are licensed conveyancers and as such are not CQS Accredited (they are governed by the Council of Licenced Conveyancers, not the Law Society who are backing the CQS scheme) and therefore would not qualify to be on the HSBC panel!!!! I don't need to tell you my thoughts on Countrywide - you have all been quite eloquent on that subject.
I would recommend anyone who wants to move/buy a house to seek recommendations from friends/family, check the firm out on the internet via google. There are plenty of excellent independent firms out there who would love to have your business and give you an excellent service in return. Most want to keep you as a client and look forward to years of helping you through your legal problems. If we want to keep the small independent firms going -they need your custom!

devon007 · 11/09/2012 10:37

rwilsher Runnett & Co are a "conveyancing factory" firm of licensed conveyancers, just like Countrywide - and used to be known as RTL - a name which will make a lot of conveyancers shudder. Reliant on high volume and the fact that, like Countrywide, they are not too bothered if clients don't return because they get all their work from estate agent referrers. It may not be common knowledge but they are now owned by InDeed, who in turn are allied to RightMove, so look for a growth in this firm as more work pours their way - and probably a similar increase in complaints sadly.

AlicatDXB · 11/09/2012 12:50

Last time I was forced against all reason to go to HSBC went to the branch the very sweet but frankly slightly dense customer service girl told me she banked elsewhere because the service was so much better. I wish I had the mental energy to change banks.

Leftwingharpie · 11/09/2012 12:54

I utterly despise them too. When I was a student I got some part time work and used the money to make some voluntary repayments on a loan with them before it fell for repayment. When my circumstances changed and I tried to cancel the monthly payments, HSBC said their computer system wouldn't let me cancel them during the loan term, even though they fully accepted that the first repayment wasn't due for another year. I had to take a loan out with another bank to pay off the whole thing in full - plus their early repayment charge.

noisytoys · 11/09/2012 12:58

I am an ex employee of HSBC. I couldn't list all the reasons I dispose them. I would still be here when this thread is long forgotten

Frannyloo82 · 05/11/2012 15:42

I've just come across this thread when searching for evidence of HSBC being crap for other people too and clearly they are! We are currently trying to move from a 1 bed flat into a house before baby arrives (now due in less than 3 weeks-eek) and have hit endless delays due to the buyers of our flat using HSBC for their mortgage. So, so frustrating, we have started a daily campaign to hassle our own solicitors and estate agents but unfortunately can't get any access to HSBC solicitors to try and hurry them along. Most annoying thing is the buyers are only getting a v.small mortgage compared to the size of their deposit so presumably could have borrowed from anyone! hoping it will all get sorted before the new arrival makes his / her entrance...