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To feel that The Baby Show should not have links with the arms trade?

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organiccarrotcake · 26/02/2012 17:34

www.analyticalarmadillo.co.uk/2012/02/baby-show-involved-with-arms-trade.html

Questions are being asked on their Facebook page but keep getting deleted - so it certainly seems likely to be true.

Anyone know any more?

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/02/2012 17:40

Clarion Events organises events like the Baby Show at Earls Court also manages events for the Defence and Security industry. I'm not sure it's all that surprising... they also promote the Caravan Show, Holiday & Travel, a Gas Conference. It's all legal. Seems like a storm in a tea-cup designed to provoke more twitter campaigns of cyber-bullying.

organiccarrotcake · 26/02/2012 17:47

If it were that simple, though, you'd have thought they'd have responded to it properly.... I'll see what they respond with if they stop deleting people who ask the questions.

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MilkMatters · 26/02/2012 18:21

QUOTE It's all legal. Seems like a storm in a tea-cup designed to provoke more twitter campaigns of cyber-bullying. END

Legal and ethical are not the same thing though are they? Perhaps you might not feel it a storm in a teacup should you live under an oppressive regime where these weapons may be used to kill innocent civilians? www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/15360

I don't understand why sharing information many are not aware of is "cyber bullying"?

Honeydragon · 26/02/2012 18:31

This should be interesting, dh works in manufacturing and the products they sell are used by the military as well as an aspect of childcare products (amongst other day to day stuff), guess he'll just have to get used to having things thrown at him regardless of whatever show he goes to Grin

TheAvocado · 26/02/2012 18:37

And what's the problem? Earl's court hosts a lot of things. I'm fed up of people trying to whip up mn opinion on things like this. Britain has defence exports. They provide a lot of jobs and contribute to tax revenues. Taking your righteous indignation out on the baby show as a way to tug at heartstrings is pusillanimous.

fridakahlo · 26/02/2012 18:44

Well, at least their representative of both ends of the birth death cycle. Hmm

No OP, you are not being unreasonable.

MilkMatters · 26/02/2012 18:56

QUOTE Earl's court hosts a lot of things

It's not about Earl's court, it's about the company that owns Baby Show. My understanding is that it isn't the export of arms per se that is the issue, but the allegations re UK & oppressive regimes. You might not find it a big deal, but I didn't know and was shocked, if it's not an issue why can't this info be widely shared and those bothered can avoid and those not can continue as before? Why is any mention immediately deleted from BS?

Honeydragon · 26/02/2012 19:04

Is not to prevent activists turning up hence deletions and refusual to confirm? Fair enough my dh gets a rock thrown at his head by pacifists at a convention that has obvious connection to arms, but not so nice for an representative from say Bugaboo or Mothercare, working at the show?

EndoplasmicReticulum · 26/02/2012 19:05

Yes, it's true. I used to post on another parenting website, we questioned their links with the Baby Show on this basis. They did nothing about it. I no longer post there.

As I recall, Mumsnet decided not to go to the Baby Show after discussing it with members.

EndoplasmicReticulum · 26/02/2012 19:06

Here you go:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/626344-mumsnet-not-going-to-the-baby-show

organiccarrotcake · 26/02/2012 19:08

Yeah, that's what I was looking more into this afternoon after reading the Analytical Armadillo's blog. It's truly a dilemma, is arms/weapons etc. Clearly I understand the importance to our economy of the production of weapons, and to our security in the purchase of weapons. I may not like it, but if push comes to shove, ultimately I want our country - and people around the world - to be defended from people whose aim is to oppress, etc. I know that's a simplistic statement in itself but let's assume that there's depth to it that isn't in the words...

So then looking at what's going on here. It's not as simple as this events company hosting other events where we're selling a few tanks to the "good guys" (tongue firmly in cheek with that term). It's about actively recruiting seriously bad guys (tongue slightly out of cheek) to buy some pretty serious stuff. So, what's happened is that many other organisations have refused to have anything to do with Clarion because they don't want to be associated with that (more links here: www.caat.org.uk/issues/armsfairs/reedelsevier.php) but they still retain ownership of the Baby Show.

Is TBS inherently an ethical organisation? Of course not. It hosts companies which sell some useful stuff but also some absolute tripe. But that's my personal opinion (I don't like "stuff"). And it's irrelevant. What else - well - they also allow Claire "Buy My Book" Byam Cook to pay to speak there where she tells people that "nose to nipple" isn't the way to go about breastfeeding. Well, that's not bright.

So, just because it's to do with babies, should it be ethical (and I think there's a huge difference between manufacturing bolts for tanks and actively selling to seriously worrying regimes)? Of course there is no "should" about it, just because babies are involved. But, it turns out that many organisations feel that because of the link, they won't be involved with them. And I think people should know about it to make up their own minds.

That is all :)

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