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AIBU?

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helping your dc to buy birthday cards/ gift for your Ex

18 replies

whatdyouthink · 23/02/2012 17:29

AIBU to think that an EX should help their children (of a certain age) to buy a birthday card/ token present for their ex partner?

I understand that for many reasons the ex may not feel like buying a card/ present, but I had a recent experience of the following: The dc (9/10yo) were not old enough to have remembered the date of their dad's birthday without prompting, but were old enough to have understood that they had missed it and then felt really bad/ guilty about it.

So, AIBU to think that although the ex may not feel like making any sort of gesture on the birthday, that actually in ignoring it, the dc are the ones who get hurt?

Obv some separations/ circumstances are so traumatic that any contact could cause real suffering. but, in general, AIBU to expect an ex to be the bigger person and help their DC mark the day helping to organising a card?

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OldGreyWiffleTest · 23/02/2012 17:31

Of course you are not BU. Although I've always done this with my son for my Ex, it is interesting to note that the Ex never ever returned the favour!

whatdyouthink · 23/02/2012 17:36

Oldgrey, did your son feel that he was to blame for missing your bday?

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Areallytiredwoman · 23/02/2012 20:09

I always help DSS1 and 2 buy presents for their mum on her birthday and Christmas and for the last five years she has come to ours for Christmas dinner so the boys have their whole family together. We helped her move house and she cuts our hair (she is a hairdresser!)

I know it isn't always possible and there are times i have wanted to strangle her (and I'm sure she feels the same) but it's all about the children really.

MrsTerryPratchett · 23/02/2012 21:06

YANBU. Unless there is violence or something really bad. It is about the children being taught and assisted to participate in family life NOT about your feelings towards the ex. I have seen more than one where the Ex-W does it and not the Ex-H though.

BreakOutTheKaraoke · 23/02/2012 21:11

I have with my DD for X before, he hasn't returned the favour. Last christmas, he wasn't happy that I told him that he and his new partner can sort out presents with the kids, I wouldn't get involved. He refused, I ended up buying him a small gift with DD, again the favour wasn't returned.

Might be worth mentioning that he reminds DD for weeks before that it's his birthday/fathers day, etc, yet she didn't get so much as a card for her birthday last week, for the second year running.

BackforGood · 23/02/2012 21:16

At 9 and 10 my dc were old enough to remember the dates of both mine and their Dad's birthdays, and to make cards themselves.
I've never taken any of my dc to buy cards for their Dad (and we're still married and living together)

whatdyouthink · 24/02/2012 08:16

Thanks everyone. good to get some perspective.

Just checking I wasn't being biased. They missed fathers day too. I wonder who the mother thinks she is hurting by taking this stance.

Backforgood, i think you are missing the point here. this thread isnt about "how grown up/ self sufficient is your 9/10year old". yes, my children of this age also made their own cards. but presumably if you live under the same roof as your partner, there wouldve been subtle reminders that crop up in conversation about the forthcoming birthday. also, the dc would have to get money for stamps, buy stamps from a shop, walk to post box... all independently. remember there is no co-operation from the mother. what if they live a drive away from the shops? how would your very grwon up dc cope then? sorry, your post has annoyed me, cause i dont think youve thought it through.

to add to the mix, the eldest ds in the family in question has some mild SEN that make things like remembering dates tricky.

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2blessed2bstressed · 24/02/2012 08:22

Dp and I take dsds to get mothers day, birthday and Christmas presents for their mum. I take them to get for their dad too as his ex says its not her problem now. Hmm

Dee03 · 24/02/2012 08:24

For the last 8 years I have brought a £5 gift for my xh from our son...birthday, fathers day and Xmas! He chooses the card and now he's older will tell me what he wants to buy, usually lynx smellies Smile
I only started receiving gifts back about 4 years ago, but ds doesn't choose the card or present, he tells me that OW does it!!!

LollyT · 24/02/2012 08:33

I know someone whose child wanted to bake her mum a cake for mothers day at Dad's house.

The cake, with 'mum' on the top, was returned after a slice.....'Well I've tried some'.

Sometimes you can't win!

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 24/02/2012 08:36

YANBU. Although I think it is easy for there to be confusion at times!

My Mum used to worry that my ex wouldnt do anything for me from the DC, so I had one year of getting two lots of stuff from the dc for my Birthday and Mothers day. But my lovely Mum has backed off now that she knows my ex can be relied on! I think she just remembered that my Granny used to do that stuff with me when I was little because my Dad was a bit crap at it.

I always do stuff for my ex for all the ocassions, we usually make him a cake too.

TheOutlawLauraPalmer · 24/02/2012 08:36

2blessed - it's frustrating, isn't it? In our household DP and I take DSS to get presents for his bioM - we make an effort to choose thoughtful, lovely items that she will actually want/use. Unfortunately the one or two times she's 'returned the favour' for it's always been cheap tat (a single plastic drink coaster Confused?), always unwrapped, and without a card.

(We also make an effort to arrange her access so DSS can be with her on Mothering Day - although it seems to matter much more to us than it does to her...)

Areallytired seems like you've got a great situation. It says an awful lot that you actually trust her with your hair! Grin

Hotpotpie · 24/02/2012 09:41

YANBU I buy presents for my SD's mum, I dont see the problem really shes her mum at the end of the day and it would upset SD far more than anyone else if we didnt

PostBellumBugsy · 24/02/2012 09:58

I get mine to make cards for their Dad & other relatives too for that matter.

I take them to the £1 shop so that they can choose a present out of their pocket money too for ex-H. When they were really little, I helped them make a card - but didn't do gifts for ex-H, as I disliked him so intensely I just couldn't bring myself to buy a gift.

Beatlebum · 24/02/2012 10:29

I always get ex h a pressie from 9 year old ds. I give ds £5 and let him choose a card and present (we are skint so that's all I can reasonably afford).

Ex husband however sees it as a game. This Christmas he had ds the week before Xmas day and got ds to tell him what ds and (new) dh had got me - ex h then got me a better model of the present 'from' ds. My dh had saved for a few months to get me that present and was hurt when ds presented the model he couldn't afford to me when he arrived home on Xmas eve. It wasn't ds fault, he was just so excited that I could have the best version of the thing I wanted.

It was my birthday a few weeks ago, my dh again got me some really lovely flowers, only tulips as they are my favourite and a bar of cashiers chocolate - money is so tight at the moment but I loved them.

Ds was at this dads and came home with a massive bunch of roses and harrods chocolates. Again, ds and dh had been planning to get me tulips so ds must have told ex h and he did one better.

Ex husband has a lot of money and he knows dh and I struggle so it's all a big joke to him.

Beatlebum · 24/02/2012 10:32

*cadburys chocolate

sunshineandbooks · 24/02/2012 10:34

YANBU.

I always remember my Xs birthday/Christmas/Father's Day and get the DC to make a card and present for him (e.g. hand-painted 'dad' cup). I don't want my DC picking up the awkwardness nor do I want my X to be handed a tool he can use to manipulate the DC.

However, I will NOT buy anything, even a token £1 present. He pays no maintenance so I'll be damned if I'll spend any of my hard-earned money on him instead of the DC.

This is not reciprocated. I'm not bothered for myself (I'd actually feel a bit awkward if he got a gift) but it annoys me that he doesn't bother with a card for the DC's birthdays ("because they can't read so what's the point") and while he does get presents, they are either OTT wonderful or completely inappropriate and rarely come wrapped ("because they're only going to rip the paper off").

I insist my DC make cards/presents etc because it's not about whether the X deserves a present, it's about social niceties, learning how to keep relationships functioning smoothly and taking the time to remember little but important facts about people. It will make them better human beings.

That said, as my DC get older, I will not make them continue to make or buy cards/presents for their father if they choose to stop doing it, though I will remind them if they appear to have forgotten. As older children I suspect they will see his lack of interest for what it is and reciprocate in kind, which I certainly won't encourage but neither will I guilt trip them for their father's failings. You reap what you sow.

If my DC forgot an important occasion in my life and obviously felt bad about it, I would be at pains to point out that it's ok so that they didn't feel bad (depending on their age, of course, as I think showing hurt feelings is entirely appropriate once they are in their teens for example).

I think there are quite a lot of non-resident parents out there who put in very little emotional, practical or financial investment with their children (let alone remembering the resident parent's birthday), yet expect all the upsides of parenting. It frustrates me that "being the bigger person" often translates as "the mother has to suck it up because otherwise she's hurting her DC" yet rarely seems to apply to the father. I feel that point should be made, but I'm NOT saying that it applies to the OP at all. In her case I think she's being entirely reasonable. She has clearly tried to be understanding and is aware of the exceptions to this rule as she's pointed them out herself. And she's right - it is sad for the children caught up in it. whatdoyouthink - as the DC get older, they'll draw their own conclusions about who's behaved most in the children's interests, and while it must be frustrating right now, these things tend to come full circle. Just try to reassure them for now.

BackforGood · 24/02/2012 10:58

Sorry to have annoyed you whatdoyouthink, not my intention at all, but the point being, making your own doesn't involve going to the shops, and no, I didn't need to remind them at 9 and 10 when people's birthdays are. You are right, they don't have to post cards to their Dad, but then, nor do they tend to post them to other people they don't live with (Grandparents for eg) - they take them along when they see them. Sometimes they get them early or after the date of the birthday - if we saw them at the weekend or something, but I can't see why that wouldn't work for a NRP too. As it happens, no, my eldest (a ds too) wouldn't have been able to organise himself to remember to make a card, but then he has a sister who reminds him of such things. I don't tell them to make Fathers Day cards and my dh doesn't tell them to make Mothers Day cards - these are decisions they make themselves. Usually we get them, but if we don't, it's because the dc haven't remember or haven't bothered, not the other parent. Sorry if that's not what you were hoping to hear, but that's the thing with internet threads, you do get different opinions.

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