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Quick help - before I go storming into school tomorrow

68 replies

Mspontipine · 21/02/2012 00:25

Ds happened to mention tonight that one of his teachers told him that his morning snack, my lovingly home-baked banana tea bread Bero recipe ..................was not a healthy snack Shock

Despite this being featured on the recommended healthy snacks list (fruit breads in general not my cake btw!)

Now ds is a whippet of a thing and tbh could do with a few burgers poking through the school fence at him. Bearing this in mind, and, as I say it is on the recommended list, and it is homebaked and does contain bananas, nuts and raisins etc, and I love baking it for him - bananas are always lying around uneaten in our house until I make it - AIBU to go storming into school tomorrow urgently demanding a full enquiry on this pertinent issue.

May I just add just now rather than committing a heinous drip-feeding offence, that though ds has only just mentioned this it was actually said to him in year 1, I have been blissfully unaware of this and have been lovingly baking aforementioned snack ever since.

Ds is now in year 4 BTW

OP posts:
porcamiseria · 21/02/2012 14:50

some odd views on here

face it, we are country filled with ill educated people that feed their kids SHIT, and we have lots of grey faced chunky little children. I think schools DO need to adress it, OK we dont like the lunch box police but its better than nothing!!

Ok everyone on here scorns it, as in general most on MN are well educated and informed (ha!)- but what about the rest of the kids, MUms gone to fucking Iceland

Panzee · 21/02/2012 14:54

I am a teacher. It's none of my business what you put in your child's lunchbox. Most of the kids in our school are underfed and skinny anyway. So keep piling in the fat!

FredFredGeorge · 21/02/2012 15:14

porcamiseria because the schools are uninformed, they have very odd ideas of what is healthy or not (perhaps not too surprising as they're trained in teaching not nutrition) so the children get the wrong message rather than an actual healthy eating message.

The banana cake above is going to have a better nutritional profile than most sandwiches in a childs lunchbox, yet they would never be rejected, and in any case foods in isolation are not relevant.

Bad policies are worse than no policies, they target the wrong people, and teach the wrong things.

boobiebrain · 21/02/2012 15:26

I bet it looks too nice and cakey, they're probably jealous!

My nan used to bake really nice banana bread to use up old bananas... and a really good lancashire hotpot.

As long as you DS enjoys eating it, keep on baking it woman!

Pandemoniaa · 21/02/2012 16:01

Can you make that delicious unhealthy banana bread without nuts, OP?

Pandemoniaa · 21/02/2012 16:02

Bollocks. Hit enter too quickly..

Because I don't like nuts in my cake but the rest of the recipe sounds lush.

Henwelly · 21/02/2012 16:09

My DS wont eat fruit, I have tried & tried x10000 but he point blank refuses.

So I send in snack as he wont eat the provided fruit. Cheese & crackers, banana bread etc. It kept coming home so I spoke to his teacher who informed me he is not allowed to eat it as its not fruit [shock}

The only thing he is allowed is fruit smoothies or fruit flakes wtaf

Firstly, poor sod must be starving by lunch, secondly do they know how awfull fruit flakes are - bloody food police.

Henwelly · 21/02/2012 16:10

sorry forgot, YANBU go shout at them.

MrsHeffley · 21/02/2012 16:35

Well considering I've had to get GP letters for 2 of mine(1 a whippet the school itself warned me about in rec,the other feeling dizzy through hunger because he has the same body as me)in order to have a snack other than fruit I feel your pain and say go get em.

My dc have to miss half their play as they have to eat their crack cocaine (oat bars) out of sight of other kids for fear they'll throw their sugar,crap laden fruit strings to one side and request the same.

Am currently breathing through nostrils and building up to a 'polite discussion' along with several other hacked off parents.

MrsHeffley · 21/02/2012 16:39

Oh and 2 GPs have told me fruit and the crap disguised as fruit eg fruit flakes/strings are the worst snacks to give kids mid morning as it gives them a high followed by a crash which doesn't aid concentration or make them feel that good.

We were recommended flap jack,oats,slow release stuff.Pretty sure banana bread would fit that bill.

Actually on thinking about it this subject makes me so mad just go in and shout.Smile

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 21/02/2012 16:56

I agree its all a bit out of hand and that teachers should be (in some cases) a bit better educated on nutrition before passing judgement or schools having much clearer policies on what's allowed and why. someone upthread made the point that most of the posters are educated and understand the importance of a healthy diet (even for slim kids) but when you have seen lunchboxes that consist of a family bag of jelly babies and nothing else then you can understand the need for some intervention. some schools clearly take the healthy school message very literally and have clearly not had dietitions advice on the dietry needs for children. School meals have to be nutritionally balanced with ALL the things kids need and that will include things that alone do not necessarily sound the healthiest choice such as pudding. home made cake sometimes should not be frowned on unless its very sugary and topped with fatty sugary icing, even then once in a while this is ok, its about balance after all.

Mspontipine · 21/02/2012 17:00

Yes - Pandemoniaa it's still lovely without the nuts.

Also on the recommended list are cereal bars but that description covers a hugist range of absolute crap doesn't it. Ds begs every so often for those Squares things but I draw the line at them.

He doesn't eat a huge breakfast - usually a bowl of rice crispies (I know!! but not too bad according to the One show guidance on lately regarding sugar etc and chocolate definately has no place in a breakfast!!) and milk and a cup of milk. His concentration isn't fab and morning break is at about 10. I thought a nice stodgy chunk of the above is just what he needs to boost his energy levels to see him through till lunch. More than just a apple or something I'm thinking - there's nothing worse than the feeling of an apple rattling round an empty stomach is there? (IMO)

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Floggingmolly · 21/02/2012 17:05

It was a comment which may or may not have been directed at your DS 3 years ago (how the hell did he just remember it today Hmm ) and hasn't been mentioned since. You are being completely unreasonable to give it any head space at all.

MrsHeffley · 21/02/2012 17:08

Saying fruit only sends out the message that only fruit is healthy.They're actually sending out totally incorrect information and not setting up good eating habits.

I think schools should have a short list of permitted foods eg oat cakes,cheese,crackers,banana bread,flap jack.... etc so these poor kids can get some bloody carbs into them.

Only an adult dieting should go from 7am(the time most working families serve breakfast) until 12.30 or even 1pm on a piece of fruit not growing kids.Our GP says kids are designed to graze and need all food groups.

All adults/kids have different metabolisms,bodies,builds etc.Making many kids go all morning on an apple is verging on cruel.I feel ill, really ill if I don't have some kind of carb mid morning,my kids are the same.

I also know very few teachers who can go all morning on an apple.

MrsHeffley · 21/02/2012 17:13

I agree the crap our school lets the kids eat under the guise of 'fruit' is madness.I refuse to buy fruit string or anything else laden with fructose,all manner of crap and that is actually 50% sugar per bag.I'd far rather they had banana bread or my flap jack9Gps snack of choice mid morning) or any other decent carb actually,school could pick.

Not all kids can eat breakfast so early.I've even tried cutting down on the evening meal so they're starving for breakfast but it makes f* all difference.My kids just can't eat 2 bowls of porridge at 7 am when they're barely awake.

They need carbs when they need them-mid morning.

cubbie · 21/02/2012 18:55

I am a primary teacher. Try asking the teachers what THEY have at playtime!!!!! Not much fruit going around, I can tell you, and moans and groans if there are no biscuits etc.

I can't believe so many schools have a lunchbox policy. I check what they are eating when I am in the dinner hall, mostly just to make sure they eat their sandwich/roll/carbs etc first.

I spoke to a boy today who had no sandwich and told him to show the HT, as I was concerned and not sure what the policy was. The boy said there was no bread left at home (entirely possible, though not quite sure why he didn't just have a school, the mum is sensible and "well-educated") and he had some fruit, a drink, and a cake slice. I just didn't think that was enough. The HT told him to go and get a sandwich from the dinner ladies. I don't think he was meant to pay or bring money in tomorrow.

I try and make sure that the children who buy a school dinner get good value for money and take everything they have paid for. I have tio say that nobody else seems to bother, and that's been for 20 odd eyars of being in the dinner hall. The HT stands around chatting although he doesn't let them out if they have left lots. I send them back to get amilk, a pudding, some bread etc. They have paid for it, so I want them to have it.

It does annoy me that nobody else seems that bothered. I'd like to think that a teacher would make sure that my DS were getting everything they had paid for.

We encourage our children to have something healthy at playtime, but they would certainly not be stopped from whatever their parents had provided. I might praise those who had a banana etc, and I might even say that something was very sugary and bad for their teeth, but not said in a harsh way, just matter of fact.

My onw 2 don't eat fruit (they ate it when they were weaning/toddlers but not now.) I have tried all sorts but got fed up of food being wasted. I buy them fruit smoothies and DS1 will eat raisins. I had a terrible diet myself as a child (as mu mother is fond of reminding me). I was never tired, could climb a rope/tree in seconds and was active from dawn to dusk. I didn't die because I didn't eat much fruit.

Sometimes the Local Authority put pressure on schools to promote healthy eating, and i can assure you that teachers are fed up of having to "teach" children all these peripheral subjects. We would lOVE to be able to concentrate on the 3R's but we get bombarded with Fairtrade stuff, Eco schools, healthy eating, drug education. It's never-bloody-ending!!!

Yes, there is a place for encouraging children to recycle (and it's a particular crusade of mine) etc, but the primary curriculum is totally overloaded adn we are fed up.

I can see why you are annoyed, I would be too, but I would certainly not go in all guns blazing. The teacher may have been told to adhere to this policy. It will just get her back up if you make a big deal of it, trust me! I do understand why you are irked. Maybe ask the HT to clarify the snack policy and if your banana bread is deemed unacceptable, then ask why whatever it is, is being served in the dinner hall, sorry can't remember.

And finally, you can always politely remind the headteacher that YOU, as the parent, are responsible for your child's snack, and they will eat whatever you give them.

Sometimes a comment/remark can be taken totally out of context, and as I said, she might have been told to check.

And as for fruit/veg only snacks, well, that's ridiculous! Chidren need carbs to keep them going. Nothing wrong with cheese and crackers, flapjacks, breadsticks etc. I can assure you that the HT is not sitting with a cup of tea and some cucmber slices with her/his morning cuppa, neither are the teachers!! And I can't see anything wrong with a digestive in a lunchbox, the world has gone mad!

DayShiftDoris · 21/02/2012 22:05

I vote you take a banana loaf into the staff room and hint that they might get some the next time you bake in for Ds... bet there will be no issues then!!

Oh and I had to educate my sons school on why sugar on cereal was a really poor health choice when they were setting up a breakfast club.

I am doing a course in public health so it just got changes no arguement ;-)

Cherriesarelovely · 21/02/2012 23:27

I posted about this a while ago when we were rethinking our school food policy. It was so helpful and informative if a bit depressing. There were loads of angry mums experiencing absolutely ridiculously restrictive lunch box policies. I would be just as annoyed about that and about the banana cake too!

However, you do have to bear in mind that, not every parent is as educated about food as most of the mums on MN are. I frequently sit next to children at lunch with boxes containing choc spread sandwiches, cheese strings crisps and cup cakesand for them that is an every day occurence, not a treat. Yes, arguably it is nothing to do with us as teachers but it is hard not to worry about it when we have several clearly obese children in each class.

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