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To hate some medical doctors

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ReindeerBollocks · 15/02/2012 21:54

DS is back in hospital for routine treatment, he has a portacath (easy access for veins) for Intravenous Antibiotics. He also suffers with extreme needle phobia due to years of hit and miss medical care. They needed bloods from him and weren't able to get them in the usual way (by bleeding the portacath back) so they used a butterfly needle.

Now the nurse who was on knows our DS extremely well and suggested sedation, which was rebutted by the paediatric registrar who insisted it not necessary. I said if they wouldn't do this he would need holding down and would try every tactic in the book, with offers to help - a delaying tactic, or talking to the doctors about everything and anything. He also lashes out and screams if not in control of the situation (he is back to his lovely self as soon as it is over).

Well the doctors told me they knew best (despite having a patchy history of DS) and when they were trying to get blood he was doing all of the above. And the doctors, despite the nurse and I telling them what DS would do, ignored it and tried talking to DS, thereby delaying bloods. Then when I said just take blood, he began to lash out, which led to the doctor calling him a mean bully, telling him off for kicking them (i warned them to hold his legs) and other such comments during the treatment.

Why don't they listen? They were the same earlier in the day, when taking his history. Constantly overiding what we were saying and telling us what was happening (we knew what was happening, it was routine treatment, and has been for the last four years!), didn't answer our valid questions and ignored some of our concerns that we wanted raising with the consultant. We have a long history of dealing with DS's conditions and do have more knowledge of it than some general paediatricians, so they should listen to us.

DS's behaviour in these situations isn't normal I'll admit, but we had progressed so well with months of counselling, and he deals really well with certain needles into the portacath. But this threw him and has undone all the work that we have had over the last few months. Plus he is due back next week for bloods which he has pointedly refused.

If they'd have listened it wouldn't have had to be like that but I'm so sick of 'know it all' doctors who actually know fucking nothing.*

*Disclaimer - not all doctors, just the majority of registrars we've met. New doctors, some registrars and consultants do listen and they are such a credit to the media, profession.

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OhDoAdmitMrsDeVere · 15/02/2012 22:37

Thats exactly it.
To them its a quick procedure best done and dusted.
To our children its yet another intrusion on their bodies and yet more pain and distress. They know its not the last time either.
They should have it done THEIR way.

Its so hard to find the strength to complain because you just want to get them home and forget about it.
And being an assertive parent is tiring and emotionally draining.

I wish so much I could fix this for you.

Tranquilidade · 15/02/2012 22:39

Trouble is many junior doctors are very young and very inexperienced so feel the need for power!

I have a medic friend who tells me the bit of med school he hated was the arrogance training. He reckons it was drummed into them that they were the creme de la creme and incredibly superior.

Hope your DS is ok

ReindeerBollocks · 15/02/2012 22:44

We've got several battles and more potential dx's to come. I'm fighting with his consultant over his treatment regime and his refusal to give drugs that would benefit due to cost. I am also battling school who will be angry he has to miss some lessons next week, despite us doing the majority of his medical stuff during his week off school. He becomes really tired and ratty and the school will complain, despite me previously telling him. They will also get on at me for not keeping up to date with school work, despite the fact that I'm juggling his usual daily treatments with me doing IVs, and yet I have to fit in daily writing practice (reading isn't so bad as we do that anyway). They will also note it in their assessment to the OT, I'm sure.

Plus our consultant doesn't want to make other referrals for his other issues, as they aren't in his remit, and he thinks the school should deal with it. The school said the referral from his consultant would help him access support quicker.

Alongside fighting with nurses to prescribe more meds to us while in the community so we arent going to the hospital daily and fielding calls from community nurses to check I haven't killed him. Plus my car died last week and I have to do it all by bus.

I don't have the energy to deal with these fuckers as well if I'm honest. I just want to get DS home and get his IV's done. But he is so upset by it even today, when he normally gets over it much quicker.

Ah long posts, I'm sorry.

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Kayano · 15/02/2012 22:46

They are arrogant Sad

Just look away, it'll be over
Soon is a TERRIBLE thing to say. Oh, so no concern AT ALL for our/ our children's mental health even though it has been spelt out for you?

Grr.

I had a nurse tell me at 13 that I was being silly and if I moved even a centre metre the needle would snap off, be imbedded in my arm and go rotten.

As if it would speed
Things up!!! I Blush do admit to telling her to get away from me or I would break we arm and am this not
Vaccinated against meningitis Blush my mum was Shock 'you STUPID STUPID woman' (to the nurse) and it was actually a
Massive part of my therapy Sad

Fiolondon · 15/02/2012 22:48

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Kayano · 15/02/2012 22:49

Then as part of my therapy they sent me
To chat with a nurse to Discuss and show
Me Needles.

Walked in and it was the stupid stupid woman. I was like 'oh FUCK no!' and left. Got to do that with someone else Sad

Fiolondon · 15/02/2012 22:51

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OhDoAdmitMrsDeVere · 15/02/2012 22:52

You need a key worker.

You shouldnt have to do all this stuff.

Its crap.
Sorry, that isnt very productive.
x

saladsandwich · 15/02/2012 23:09

my ds (3) has bloods done regularly, he was absolutely fine up until one arsehole of a dr on A and E scared him and really hurt him, he should have been up on the ward having IV anti bs but he did something else (he made it sound like a good idea) to stop him having to go up to the ward and since that day he has been a different child with any medical stuff. why i let that dr convince me it was a good idea, i could kick myself.

we did drop on a lovely consultant once who didnt mind being kicked while blood was taken(i took ds's shoes off and warned him first) it took 4 of us to hold him :(.

PestoPenguin · 15/02/2012 23:15

YANBU Sad

Can you put in a complaint? Via PALS? These doctors are in training to one day become consultants. They need feedback via a rout where they have to listen to it and take it seriously. It is important.

I hope things improve for your DS soon.

ReindeerBollocks · 15/02/2012 23:15

Fiolondon - his consultant is normally great and always gives us all the information as he knows we have to do the treatments. But there has been an issue over a certain medicine.

I sound really difficult, and I'm not. We are trying to keep life going for DS, just have a lot on at the moment which makes it difficult. Alongside new referrals to OT and maybe others, then it just leads to chaos. I have a diary full of appointments for him, he is jam packed for a while yet.

I did complain once before when I told the doctor to leave. She was inserting a long line and DS was sedated, but he fought against it and the doctor got annoyed he was fighting and shouted in his face that it was his fault she couldn't place the long line because he was lashing out. He was four and a half at the time. She still works there but we were told that long lines had to be placed by consultants after that. However this didn't apply as it was just bloods.

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ReindeerBollocks · 15/02/2012 23:19

Thanks again for the support of everyone. Think I'll have a chat with his specialist nurse when she gets back from holiday. In the meantime I'll look into PALS.

Is a key worker like SS involvement?

Anyway I'm off to bed, but will have a look back tomorrow to digest the advice from you clever lot x

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PestoPenguin · 15/02/2012 23:59

You do not sound difficult. You sounds like a normal parent who is doing their best for their DS and who is an expert on their child, frustrated that you are not listened to properly and that in some situations your DS has not been treated with the respect and kindness that every child deserves Sad.

CupcakesAndCocktails · 16/02/2012 00:08

Hi Reindeeer I am so sorry about your DS's experience. I just wanted to urge you to contact PALS. At 7 years old he can not be held responsible for fighting back against a procedure he did not agree to (especially as the doctor was warned this may happen). I think it was very unprofessional of the doctor to speak to your DS like that. It is one thing for them to tell your DS that it is not acceptable for him to lash out and quite another to call him a mean bully.

And please don't beat yourself up over it, it's easy in retrospect to think you should have done it differently. You sound like a great mum btw Smile

startail · 16/02/2012 01:15

YANBU
I'll never forget hearing a group of medics forcing a mask on a little girl with asthma.
Never saw her it was the middle of night, but she sounded terrified. Absolutely no attempt to explain or get her on side nicely. Just do as you are toldSad

No thought either that there were two other seven year old girls on the ward who heard all this.

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