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AIBU to expect my 9yo to act his age?

49 replies

mumnotmachine · 13/02/2012 20:26

I'm at the end of my tether with the tears and tantrums.
Hes 9.5 and acts like a two year old most of the time.
If he's playing something and can't go first he cries.
If he loses a game he cries.
He getting to the stage where he's going to be slaughtered in school if he carries on the way he is.
He's been the target of some of the bigger boys for a couple of years now, not actual physical bullying but digs and jibes.

Hes very immature mentally and emotionally.

I dont know what to do with him any more, Im so stressed out with it all.

He irritates people no end with his stupid noises , gets in peoples faces, and doesnt seem to know when to sutop annoying people..

But he can also be the most loving, sweet and angelic child on the planet

OP posts:
mrsjay · 13/02/2012 21:15

I agree with getting help when you are worried about a childs development But some were mentioning ASD which really shouldnt be banded about imo , all children are different ,

moosemama · 13/02/2012 21:23

mrsjay, I also know a lot of children with ASD and they don't all present in one particular way. They are individuals, just like any other children, with their own strengths and weaknesses and will have problems in different areas. That doesn't meant that they shouldn't all have the same diagnosis, as fundamentally, despite presenting differently they all have impairments in all three areas of the triad of impairments.

People seem to have a problem 'labelling' children with Autism, yet wouldn't have a problem with 'labelling' a child diabetic or asthmatic. Its not a label, its a diagnosis of a specific problem. With that diagnosis, children can be properly understood and supported in just the same way as a child with diabetes would be given insulin or a child with asthma their inhalers etc.

That said, no-one is saying the OP's ds has ASD, just that if they are concerned its worth finding out more and asking for a professional opinion.

annalovesmrbates · 13/02/2012 21:24

A close friend has a DS who sounds very much like yours. Half a term into secondary school and he has changed beyond belief. He has matured into a really nice, personable boy.

annalovesmrbates · 13/02/2012 21:24

A close friend has a DS who sounds very much like yours. Half a term into secondary school and he has changed beyond belief. He has matured into a really nice, personable boy.

mrsjay · 13/02/2012 21:26

yes I agree with you moose i maybe didnt say what i meant very well but i agree with everything you said and put it so much better than i did [smiles] , I can come across as a bit Harsh sometimes Hmm , My own dd is Dyspraxic well its DCD nowadays and it took me a few years to get any help for her far less a DX

SnapesMistress · 13/02/2012 21:33

He sounds like a lot of my yr 7's, even higher up the school a lot of boys are like this. My brother was like this in some ways until he was 18, no SEN.

He is a child still,children mature at different rates, there is no need for a label if he is just immature, he is allowed to be. He's 9 FGS.

OP knows ger son best and has suspicions, I am just replying to what was stated and may be wrong.

Busyoldfool · 13/02/2012 21:40

My DD was reading this over my shoulder and asked if I'd written it about her younger brother - I could have done. I have been in despair - he's 11. After years and years, ( I knew there was a problem from the beginning), we have got a dx of dyspraxia or cognitive development disorder, ( I think that was the term they used). Help at school has made a difference but at the moment he is still difficult at home.

Agree with others - go to GP and take it from there. He may respond to help or he may just mature as others have said and as I know some kids do. Good luck though

IndigoBell · 13/02/2012 21:43

cognitive development disorder ? Do you think they said developmental co-ordination disorder? That more or less means dyspraxia.

mumnotmachine · 13/02/2012 21:47

Thanks all, time to get my head out of my arse regarding this and get the ball rolling .
I'll be failing him down more by not doing anything

OP posts:
moosemama · 13/02/2012 21:49

SnapesMistress nobody has stated the op's ds has anything. We are all aware that not all children mature at the same rate and that it doesn't necessarily mean that there's a problem if they are immature.

All people are saying is that if the op's gut feeling is that there may be a problem, its worth investigating and asking advice sooner rather than later.

He will not get a label diagnosis if he doesn't have anything that requires one. It's not that easy to get a diagnosis, even for children that clearly have certain problems. Its a myth that diagnoses are handed out like sweeties by over-enthusiastic paediatricians.

chipmunksex · 13/02/2012 21:54

They do seem to be handed out like sweeties on this thread though.Hmm

If the OP is worried of course she should seek advice from a GP.

Busyoldfool · 13/02/2012 22:02

Indigo - you might be right - I can't remember tbh. I wasn't really interested in what they called it I just wanted to get some help in school as he was in real trouble and to know what I could do to help him and what was likely to happen in future. Even that diagnosis hasn't been given unequivocally although everyone I saw told me that DS wasn't able to do this or that to the expected level, ( I knew that!!),

moosemama · 13/02/2012 22:15

chipmunk?

Nobody has handed out a diagnosis. Some people have just suggested the OP asks for advice from relevant professionals, if she feels she needs to. People going on about not labelling are just as unhelpful as people telling her there's definitely a problem. Neither person would or could be right.

So many people, myself included, do delay asking for help and advice for fear of the dreaded 'label'. Its not a label, its a diagnosis and its never something that's given lightly.

The OP has been given both sides on this thread. Some people whose dses are or were similar and eventually matured and others who's dses did turn out to have something more going on than just a little immaturity. She has already come back and stated that she feels she needs to do something to find out more - not that any of us have convinced her her child has x,y or z.

Busyoldfool · 14/02/2012 01:16

moose you summed it quite nicely there

manicinsomniac · 14/02/2012 01:32

Purely going on what you said about him in your OP I'm surprised that so many people jumped straight to suspecting ASD. He doesn't sound particularly that way to me, just young for his age.

I work in a non selective private school which means we get many many children who would struggle to cope in the state system - either because they do have ASD type traits, they are 'geeky', sensitive, 'quirky' or immature. I don't think a child needs a diagnosis purely because they're a bit different do they?

Also curious as to the ways in which people's children have improved by being givena dx. There was talk of the needed support being put in place? WHat support do they get if they are academically able? There would be nothing extra given where I work, other than the pastoral care that they would get with or without a lable.

I had a girl in my form last year who is so classically aspergers I couldn't believe she wasn't diagnosed. But her parents won't have any of it. I was very grumble grumble about it and thought she be assessed blah blah but actually - they were totally right. She is an academic girl so her problems were purely social and now she is growing up (11) se is maturing, becoming better able to cope with change, becoming more sociable, less tearful and more successful in her friendships. I still think she has aspergers but whether she is or is not is irrelevant - all that matters is that she's X and she's growing up.

solidgoldbrass · 14/02/2012 01:44

I'm another one who is a bit uneasy about the general insistance that kids who are in any way different need to be treated as though there is something wrong with them. Wouldn't it be better to teach all kids that diversity is a good thing and that picking on people because they are not quite like you is bad?

nooka · 14/02/2012 02:14

I'd also explore the bullying. If this little boy is experiencing ongoing teasing and verbal abuse that might be an alternative reason why he finds it difficult to cope with life. I'd hope that an assessment might pick that up too.

IndigoBell · 14/02/2012 07:37

Also curious as to the ways in which people's children have improved by being givena dx - in my case my DS improved for 2 reasons.

  1. School stopped treating him like he was naughty and started treating him like he had ASD.

This is the biggest risk you face if you don't get a label.

  1. School can get help from the ASD outreach team when they don't know what to do.

Without a label my school wouldn't be able to get support from the ASD outreach team. (Although in some places school could get support without a label - but again only if they thought he had ASD)

  1. (Most importantly) I was able to research Aspergers and find out about things that might help. Since then I've done 4 or 5 therapies - all of which have helped. And that is the main reason he's now fine.

Without a label I wouldn't have been able to research the therapies.

Without the therapies he wouldn't be fine now.

IndigoBell · 14/02/2012 07:39

I'm another one who is a bit uneasy about the general insistance that kids who are in any way different need to be treated as though there is something wrong with them. - who says that someone who has Aspergers has anything wrong with them?

There is absolutely nothing at all wrong with my DS.

A label purely describes some of his behaviour.

A label helps me and school understand his behaviour, and find things we can do to support him.

TroublesomeEx · 14/02/2012 07:58

Brief hijack (sorry).

I think my DS has dyspraxia. I have an appointment with the GP to discuss this. How forceful should I be in requesting an appointment with a paed?

IndigoBell · 14/02/2012 08:07

FolkGirl - forceful.

A GP is not qualified to dx dyspraxia, literally may not know at all what yo look for, and may hold the prejudices you've seen on this thread which thinks a label is a bad thing. (although you even get paeds who believe that)

your DS needs to be seen by either an OT or a paed.

IndigoBell · 14/02/2012 08:11

I genuinely don't know what negative consequences people think there is to having a label.

The label describes the behaviour the child is already showing. It doesn't change their behaviour.

Nobody will know about the label if you don t tell them - although they'll still be able to see the behaviour.

Nothing happens when you get a label.

TroublesomeEx · 14/02/2012 10:06

Thank you Indigo.

I was going to go in in my usual apologetic style, but I think on reflection, I'll go in in professional mode. I'll imagine he's a child in my class and not my son and with the associated fear of being identified as a neurotic mother!

I also agree with your label description exactly.

moosemama · 14/02/2012 11:00

OK, apologies for the massive post, but I'm going to try and address, from my point of view, a few of the questions raised since I posted last night.

There are many reasons why a child can improve after being given a diagnosis. Again, as I have already said, each child is different, some will need the diagnosis, some will not and will be able to get by being quirky or eccentric.

My BIL has Aspergers, as does his ds. Bil doesn't have a diagnosis, but says knows he has it. He and sil chose not to get a diagnosis for their son. In bil's case, he is and always has been a very strong, independent individual who was able to cope without any additional support. His son didn't need a diagnosis because his father was able to understand him and what addtional help he needed without external professional support. He also attended an inner city school with a high proportion of children with additional needs, that was excellent at providing him with lots of pastoral and other support that many schools either can't or won't supply without a diagnosis.

In my ds's case getting the diagnosis has helped him to understand why he was struggling so much socially, why he felt different than his peers and never quite fitted in. Having a reason why he doesn't understand social rules etc helps him to cope and ask for understanding or support in situations he finds difficult.

Without the diagnosis, his school were not in the slightest bit interested in supporting him properly. The situation is the same at all the local primary schools, so moving him to a different school would not have helped. He attended the standard SEAL group sessions, as did lots of other 'quirky' children and there was some merit in that, but it was nowhere near enough to help him learn the skills he needs to mix with his peers appropriately. For many quirky children in his group, this sort of standard school support is enough, for my ds and for many other children it isn't.

Similarly, the Autism outreach team would not have been able to come out and work with him 1:1 to help him understand why things have gone wrong, as and when they have. The educational psychologist wouldn't have worked with him 1:1 on learning to recognise and understand emotions in both himself and others and to learn to communicate his feelings to adults better so that we are better able to support him effectively.

Without a diagnosis, my ds, a boy who was always just a clever, but quirky little boy had reached the point of mental breakdown and simply wasn't coping. He had gone from being the top of his year in infants, to not producing any work at school. If we hadn't got a diagnosis and intervention at the point we did, he would no longer be in school and would be looking at a very different future.

The diagnosis - or label - effectively acts as a signpost to enable the school system, other professionals and even peers and the wider community to better understand why my son is different and to therefore be more tolerant and understanding of him.

Yes of course, in an ideal world people/children would all be taught tolerance, understanding and inclusion from the start and would be lovely non-judgmental inclusive individuals. Unfortunately, life just isn't like that and currently the attitude towards people who are different and/or have invisible disabilities is actually getting worse - not better. It's a sad fact, that there's far more intolerance and judgment to anything that is deemed 'different', than there is tolerance and inclusion in this world.

I should also say that his diagnosis also came as a huge relief to us, as his parents. Its heartbreaking not being able to understand why your child isn't coping and watching them struggle on a daily basis with things their siblings and peers breeze through. Since his diagnosis, we have been able to learn to understand things better from his perspective and manage his anxiety and behaviour more appropriately. Our relationship with him has improved significantly. We are a much more relaxed, happier family and he is a different child. He is once again achieving well at school and his future is much much brighter. It wasn't that we didn't love him and accept him for who he was before, of course we love him beyond measure and always have and we tried really hard to always give him every bit of support he needed but prior to the diagosis, we struggled to understand why he thought/did certain things and therefore often found it hard to gain the perspective needed for handling various situations and giving him the right support.

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