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AIBU or is my landlord re damp and contacting him on a Sunday?

66 replies

WhiteTrash · 13/02/2012 12:57

I moved to a nicer area just over a year ago. It was a smaller house but the perks were the storage. Cupboard under the stairs, walk in shoe cupboard at the top of the stairs, a walk in cupboard in the single front bedroom and of course the loft.

I went into the front room cupboard last week to get DC1's baby clothes our for DC2, but they were damp, coveres in black. Some I washed and kept the others are ruined. I put my papasan chair in there too, the cover doesnt come off and that was totally covered in damp. We've had to chuck it it, it cost me £200 I know its just a chair but I bought it two years back as a pat on the back for getting through my degree. Ive since left the cupboard door open but stuff is still getting damp so now I just have to not use it. Same as under the stairs. My stuff was getting damp some stuff was saved some not.

Yesterday I went in the loft to check in there and everything is ruined. All my stuff that I kept for sentimental reasons, photos, memories all ruined damp and need to be chucked.

I didnt consider the fact its a Sunday and text my landlord to let him know, I explained where it was and that Ive had to throw a lot of things out. And also asked when the electrician was going to come by to check the lights that Id asked him about 3 times in the last month.

I didnt hear back from him until 10am this morning which is fine, said he'd pop over and see at 11.30am.

11.30 am and the agency manager turns up. Not sure why, Im told to go directly through my landlord for house hold problems. He said theres no reason why under the stairs should be damp, that the car seator quilt must have been damp when they went in. They werent.

That the front bedroom cupboard was a bit damp, he'd seen worse (me too, bit still) and didnt look in the loft just said I should never store stuff in a loft.

He goes and comes back 10 mins later with my landlord, he doesnt look at any of it. Says he cant believe I text him on a Sunday and it must be an emergancy for me to do that. So I was wrong to text him on a Sunday but I was upset and he didnt reply until this morning anyway.

He said its not his responsibility, what did I expect him to do? I said Im paying rent for the whole house but now for galf the year I cant use a lot of it. He just said I never should have used the loft space if I didnt want it getting damp (I genuinely had no idea Ive used lofts in all my properties with no problems before) and that the other cupboards simply arent his responsibilty. Just kept going on and on about my texting him on a sunday.

So, now its left with never contact him at a weekend unless its an emergancy and dont use any of the storage space, if I do its at my own peril.

AIBU? Or is he?

OP posts:
ThisIsNotMyLife · 13/02/2012 21:03

Twaddle. I've dried washing in various kinds of homes, both owned and rented. Never happened to me. It's just a nonsense story made up by LL to avoid doing a bit of work.

This never seems to happen in social housing either.

mousymouseafraidofdogs · 13/02/2012 21:07

agree thisis some landords don't provide properly maintained homes and try to blame the tennant.
and the tennants if tennants try to get the LL to do something they get notice.

rhondajean · 13/02/2012 21:07

A loft is regarded as an outside area.

I know this because I helped my friend move last week and I was there when the maintenance officer from the council told her this.

I'd never heard it before either. He said it will definitely get damp from condensation when the rest of the house is heated.

Hth.

maddening · 13/02/2012 21:15

thisisnotmylife - I have been reading this thread avidly as we are owner occupiers suffering condensation damp - old cottage so outside walls are double layer brick not cavity walls and where we have furniture against one wall now has damp from condensation - so big clean up job and a better job at managing moisture levels - it does suck though!

LittleWaveyLines · 13/02/2012 21:16

Well I lived in DP's flat with him for 2 years. Small flat. We left the bathroom window open after showers, and kitchen window open after cooking, and wiped the condensation off the window ledges in winter. Condensation had a tendency to build up, but we looked after it by ventilating regularly.

He moved in with me and let his flat out, making sure the letting agents knew that as it was such a small flat it needed ventilating regularly.
The tenant let it get mouldy, and then tried to claim damages that duvets and blankets piled up around the walls had got mouldy! It was very obvious she wasn't opening the windows. We paid for an extrator fan to be put in the kitchen and re-iterated the need for ventilation weekly. She said she didn't feel safe having windows open.... Hmm

We had to have the place completely redecorated. It turned out she never hung washing out but dried indoors, never opened bathroom window etc... well no wonder things got damp, and her stuff got mouldy!

Tenants - don't always blame the building/landlord - people create water vapour just by breathing, and buildings need ventilating!

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 13/02/2012 21:17

What a load of bollocks. Damp can be caused by structural damage which would be the landlords fault, and it can be caused by condensation building up because of ventilation. That can sometimes be down to the people who live there.

Why should landlords always get the blame? A lot of the time they are to blame, but sometimes they are not.

JerichoStarQuilt · 13/02/2012 21:30

Mmm. We had a surveyor come round and check our flat when it was being sold, and he was checking for damp, which he found. When I asked it if could be caused by anything we did, he said short of leaving a pan of steaming water on the hob, with the windows shut, for several weeks - no! If you are a normal person who opens windows, keeps the place aired and heated, you won't cause damp problems.

Some of these stories sound like paranoia - why would someone deliberately damage your property by not opening windows?!

LittleWaveyLines · 13/02/2012 21:42

I think some people really don't realise they have to open windows, and the smaller the place, the more ventilation it needs - you still generate the same amount of water vapour, but it is concentrated in a smaller space.

In my DP's tenant's case she was indeed boiling pans of water for weeks without opening windows. (Was hob- boiling sterilising bottles etc).

I'm sure it wasn't malicious. Just stupid/

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 13/02/2012 21:57

That may have been true for the damp that your surveyor found Jericho. Not all types of damp are the same.

JerichoStarQuilt · 13/02/2012 21:57

Maybe I'm really naive about people, then. I have heard stories about nightmare tenants, I just assumed the problems would be a bit more blatant than a slow growth of damp.

FWIW, our place gets damp badly because the window frames are mental and single-glazed, and there isn't central heating, just a little gas fire in one room. We were happy opening windows but did tell the letting agent she'd have to think again when she suggested we 'just plug in an electric fire in, in the bathroom'! Our bathroom is small enough you'd have to balance it on the windowsill with the extension lead trailing ... we explained rapidly about our teeny tiny desire not to get electrocuted!

I expect I'm conditioned to expec the daftness on the side of LL/lettings agents when I should know there must be bad examples of both.

JerichoStarQuilt · 13/02/2012 22:00

IUse - sorry, my point was they were saying we'd caused it. We only found out not because the surveyor told us. Otherwise it'd have been our word against theirs - the surveyor said basically, because of the state of windows and so on, it was very unlikely that anything we'd done cause it and very likely it'd happen no matter what you did.

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 13/02/2012 22:09

I have acknowledged that there will be twat landlors out there that try to blame the tennants for everything, it does happen.

But it happens the other way too, when tennants cause problems then expect the landlord to pay for their mistakes.

We shouldn't jump to conclusions either way.

JerichoStarQuilt · 13/02/2012 22:43

True.

I think there are also LL who don't realize that if their property is substandard, and that wasn't obvious/pointed out during viewing, tenants aren't going to have the same attitude as an owner-occupier. If I owned the place we live in, I'd paint everything with anti-mould paint and put sealant all round the windows (actually I'd replace them if I could possibly afford it but I know that's expensive). Obviously, though, I'm not likely to do that for a place I rent, because I could be done for making unauthorized changes to the property. When the place changed hands, the new owners were really confused as to why we didn't do these things they thought were 'basic' maintenance.

Intrum · 14/02/2012 06:34

If a ll is aware their property is prone to getting damp surely they should have trickle vents and extractor fans put in before letting.

LittleWaveyLines · 14/02/2012 12:13

"If a ll is aware their property is prone to getting damp surely they should have trickle vents and extractor fans put in before letting."

... which a tenant then needs to use!!

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 14/02/2012 12:30

They might not be aware that the property is prone to getting damp. Why would they if they have never lived there?

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