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To never want to talk to her again?

17 replies

PrincessTeacake · 10/02/2012 01:14

My housemate, who was a friend of mine for a number of years, moved out recently and although we talked about her moving not affecting our friendship, it has in a number of ways.

A little background info first.

  • I was already in the house. I had moved here with my best friend and we were living here for a year before BF lost her job and a lot of her confidence. She wanted to move to Holland and I encouraged her to go. She's been there since and still talks on a regular basis to both of us.

  • Housemate (we'll call her T) wanted to move in so she could be closer to college. She had no job and her parents were paying her rent for her, but she intended to find a job and pay her own way. To reduce the strain on her budget, I offered to pay part of her rent in exchange for her cleaning the house. She assured me that she was a neat freak so she'd do it easily.

  • I'm mildly disabled, I have a job that accommodates my special needs but I find certain things difficult. I spend a lot of time, sometimes the entire day, in bed and I've had to be helped off of chairs or escorted to the doctors on bad days. This is why I asked if she could do the housework, though I'd always do some myself.

  • I have a lot of stuff, I have been called a hoarder on occasion but I'm more of a clutterbug. I do a big clearout every now and then and despite the clutter, I can't stand dirt. I'm very bleach-happy.

  • The house is very small, it's a very old Coronation Streetish two-up-two-down job. The heating system is great and it's a matter of minutes from the city centre, plus there's local shops and the like close by.

Everything was okay at first, we got along very well. We'd do yoga in front of the TV, we cooked for each other, we'd go out to the cinema. But after a while, some of T's issues started coming to the surface. She's quite severely overweight and has badly thinning hair, which led me to suspect she had a thyroid problem. As I see doctors on a regular basis, I firmly believe that if you have a problem that could be sorted out with medication or therapy you should go for it. But when I talked to her about it, she got defensive and stormed off to sulk. She has yet to see a doctor about it but her hair and weight situation has not improved and she hates the way she looks.

The cleaning, which we had agreed on was not getting done. She said she felt bad about it and it was due to being busy with college, so I let it go. She never paid any bills but ran up our electricity by leaving lights and computers on all night and turning on the heat for hours when she was staying in one room that had a storage heater. She burned the bottoms out of some of my cookware due to not being able to cook pasta or rice properly, and when she did clean it was generally pretty half-assed. A lot of it was just tidying stuff away, including a lot of craft materials that I would have been currently using. She never dusted or mopped. She also threw out things that I was using without consulting me, ate my food and sometimes cleaned the bathroom (right next door to my bedroom) in the wee hours of the morning when I was in bed. She had a tendency to call me to ask a question when i was either asleep or trying to fall asleep.

As time went on, her behavior got more worrying. I strongly suspect that she was taking some of my medication for her period pains, which she always told me were excruciating (but not to the point that you should need the stuff I was taking). Her room seemed to have a lot of fruit flies in it which she blamed on the window in her room she always kept open (with the light on all the time, I can see it attracting moths but not fruit flies). Once or twice I went in there and found rotted pieces of fruit or mugs half-full of stagnant liquid. I don't think anyone who has rotten food in their bedrooms can call themselves a neat freak. She asked me if she could adopt a cat because my cat was nervous in her presence and she wanted her own pet. I agreed if she took total responsibility for it, which lasted all of five minutes when she got it. The cat gravitated towards me because she was away so much and ignored it. One day she got so angry about this that while I was lying in bed nursing a bad flare-up she was walking around the house shouting about being second-best.

Finally, it all came to a head when she decided to move out. She had arranged to view a place and move in the following week before she decided to tell me about this. It came on the back of us getting three very big bills and me asking for her to contribute to them since she'd been using the utilities just as much as me. She seemed to get this idea that she could live in a bigger place but pay less money if she moved in with her other friends. It was a very unrealistic goal, but whenever she discussed it she kept slamming the house we were living in, and talking about how much better somewhere else would be.

In the end, it fell through. Her friend moved in somewhere behind her back and after all the awkwardness T decided to move back in with her parents, where she is now miserable. She also has a new boyfriend who gives me the creeps big time. She took her cat with her when she left but she had dropped hints about me keeping him before and is now trying to get me to take him back. I'm currently living in the house by myself and much happier for it, but it's difficult managing my illness without the extra help.

My BF has talked to her since she moved out, and is really angry with her on my behalf. Apparently T complained that she found the house impossible to clean (she didn't say too much more, because she knew BF would take my side) but I've had no problems keeping it clean. It takes me six hours more than the average person to clean it, but I still do it. Also, she left her bedroom in the most hideous, foul-smelling state.

Even writing this, I feel like I'm being hard on her and I know I'm not that easy to live with. But I just feel angry with T and really want nothing to do with her anymore, even though I assured her we could stay friends afterwards. So, am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
BiWinning · 10/02/2012 01:20

YANBU. She sounds horrid.

Fair play, the thyroid issue probably touched a nerve but this woman is a leech.

aldiwhore · 10/02/2012 01:49

You sound like you're both well rid.

YANBU.

But I suspect if she started a thread from her point of view, neither would she be.

LineRunner · 10/02/2012 02:02

Some houseshares just don't work out.

iscream · 10/02/2012 02:40

You are not obligated to remain friends just because you said you would. People say that everyday, but life goes on, and people drift apart, or realize once apart there was really no bond at all in the first place.
It is also possible that with some time and space apart, you will be let go of these things bothering you, and at least not feel irked whenever you think of her.
The cat is not your problem, she wanted it, she needs to take care of it.

makachu · 10/02/2012 03:00

You are totally not being unreasonable!

Sounds like your house mate exploited the situation though. It also sounds like she is a lazy, free loading, dependant person who looks for vulnerable, gullible people to take advantage of. I'd take relying on her parents to pay the rent for her as a forewarning of this. I think that successful flat sharing requires firm agreement of what is expected from the outset. This woman should always have been paying her full share of the rent, she should always have been paying the bills and she should have been eating her own food or at least contributing majorly to buying food for the household. You should have given her a detailed rota stating what you wanted her to do and when, and if she couldn't adhere to it then you should have chucked her out!

I am honestly baffled by the number of people who seem to be completely unable to live with others. Some people's standards of living are just shocking. In my experience (many horrible, bitter, squalid flat shares over the years) it's usually been selfish, immature people who are blind to their own filth because they are so used to Mummy being around to clear up after them. Always worse in the communal areas for me, I've had flatmates who never once cleaned the bathroom or kitchen- tidy bedrooms though. Grr. I am all riled up on your behalf OP. You sound like a nice person...if you get yourself a new flatmate, I think you need to lay out all your expectations from the beginning and make sure they set up a direct debit to pay their fair share.

pressingbuttons · 10/02/2012 05:11

No, no, no you are not being unreasonable. Quite simply; real friends (or even reasonable housemates!) would not even dream of treating another friend/housemate like that. Please keep her at arms length, you were amazingly patient and accommodating for someone who did not deserve it. I suggest you read back your post and see again how she behaved, treated 'your home' and how therefore by extension treated you. I hate to resort to cliches; but seriously 'life is too short" to worry about someone like that'. Toxic. ugh. I am sure you'll find another housemate that it does work out with and who doesn't treat you like that (hey as long as you do not allow anyone to treat you like that again) but that's your call. All the best. :-)

LovesBeingWearingSkinnyJeans · 10/02/2012 05:55

She sounds spoilt to me and used to getting away without fulfilling her promises. Have to say though it was always going to be tough after your bf. In Friends when one of them moved out tge new housemate was called the 'rebound' housemate, everything was going so well just as you described and then he turned into a pyscho Grin

OnlyWantsOne · 10/02/2012 06:02

You BOTH sound pretty unreasonable TBH

You went in her room?
She cleaned the bathroom but TOO early for you?
You confronted her about her weight and hair loss and she got defensive? I should think most women would find that offensive and uncomfortable.

Did you want a house mate or a house keeper and she just fell short of your expectations?

runningwilde · 10/02/2012 06:13

Please please op know this... YaNbu! Please distance yourself from this nasty, vile person who has done nothing to help you but who has used you. I would take the cat though if you can as the poor thing needs to get away from her.

Thank God she is out of your house! Now, do yourself a favour and distance yourself completely from her and do not waiver from this as people like her are poison and she has been a total cunt to you and taken advantage of you.

Do you get any help for your condition? Are you eligible for help I mean? Might be worth finding out? Please update us and remember - don't see het again, but take the cat first!

runningwilde · 10/02/2012 06:19

You are kidding onlywants - how is the op being unreasonable? No way. So you would be fine if your housemate went Back on your agreement, never paid bills, left her room filthy and did cleaning in rhr small hours? Why don't you get her to move in with you then?

TroublesomeEx · 10/02/2012 06:47

It sounds as though you just weren't compatible as housemates. She sounds a right PITA, but as every story has as many sides as there are people telling it, I'd imagine you'd sound pretty bad in her version, simply because you both just sound very different.

You clearly have different standards and different expectations to each other.

Perhaps she needs a dose of reality and standing on her own two feet without other people paying her rent and accommodating her, perhaps you got a little too involved (e.g. re her health issues).

If you want to remain friends, do so.

If you don't, then don't.

Tbh, housesharing with friends can be difficult, the boundaries tend to get a bit blurred.

NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 10/02/2012 07:36

OP you are NOT being unreasonable (except perhaps for the thyroid conversation, which still might be okay if she was the one who brought it up by saying she was unhappy with her weight and hair loss and what could she do? etc)

The rest of it sounds all down to her and TBH I don't think I'd want to stay in touch because she sounds like a 'taker' rather than a real friend.

maddening · 10/02/2012 07:48

yanbu on being unhappy with housemate - people often clash when living together but
yabu for the thyroid thing, going in her room,comments about her boyfriend

if you want to be friends with her then let the dust settle and bad feelings from living together time to fade

PrincessTeacake · 10/02/2012 15:29

Thank you for the replies, I'll address some of the things that need a bit of clearing up.

First off, I don't make a habit of going into someone's room very often but we would both do it on occasion, for things like borrowing a comb or deodorant or a wet wipe, stuff like that. When we were getting on really well we'd pop into each other's rooms to talk or watch something on the computer and if we found any mugs or cutlery lying around and we were going to wash the dishes we'd take them out. Simple stuff like that, we had a healthy respect for each other's privacy. The mould, stagnant water and rotted fruit was all stuff I found while taking crockery down to be washed, and the rest of it was discovered after she moved out and I went in to clean the room for a showing. Including the bedsheets I had lent her that her cat had went to the bathroom on, she balled them up and stuffed them down the side of her bed.

The thyroid issue came up because we were talking about diets and weight loss, girly stuff, and we were trying to get fit together. T had a terrible problem with her self-esteem and complained that no matter what she did, she couldn't seem to drop the weight and her hair always looked awful. I suggested the thyroid problem because I figured if she could get it treated then she'd at least be able to do something constructive about it. I had done similar early on with my BF when she was having weight problems and issues with her period, it turned out that she had PCOS and had she not gotten it treated she could have had serious health problems for the rest of her life. It was never a confrontation, I don't care how someone looks as long as they're happy but she was miserable and I wanted to help. I'd have wanted her to do the same for me.

When I say she cleaned too early, I mean at 3am when I'd have to be up at 6am for work. And I never said anything about her boyfriend to her, but he skeezes the hell out of me. He asked me would I consider a threesome with himself and her, in all seriousness, and I get the feeling he's taking advantage of her and cheating on her with other girls.

We haven't talked for a while. Last time we did she was still having problems with the cat and for his sake, I'll probably take him in or give him to some friends of mine that lost their cat recently. Part of T's problem is that her parents are very protective of her, to the point of coddling, and she had no idea she'd have to contribute to bills or wash her own clothes while she was here. And like I said, I'm not the easiest person to live with myself, especially when I'm ill. I think my illness may have made her uncomfortable too, it's not easy to see someone you've only really seen on good days the way I was on bad days.

OP posts:
runningwilde · 10/02/2012 20:07

Op she sounds horrid, you are well rid.

I asked this before but can you get some care help for your disability?

PrincessTeacake · 10/02/2012 22:41

Sorry, forgot to answer that. I'm not based in the UK so the system works a little differently here, I do have a disability living allowance and I work a set number of hours that don't interfere with that. I'm entitled to claim rent allowance but I hate asking the state for more money. I'm doing okay financially and I do find the house is easier to keep clean and tidy when it's just me, it just takes me a while longer.

OP posts:
runningwilde · 10/02/2012 23:16

If you are entitled and it helps you then you must not feel bad! Maybe you could get help with the house. Anyway, main thing is - stay away from that awful toxic 'mate' of yours and good luck! What about your boyfriend - do you want him to move in?

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