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WWYD - Job Role - better the devil you know??????

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Mands0603 · 08/02/2012 11:53

More of a WWYD but posted in there and bit quiet so thought I would try here - I am a bit of a lurker but would value any advice / opinions.............

Been in my current job for almost 9 years - it has good points / bad points (what doesn't) but for about the last 12-18 months I have been looking to move. Applied for a few vacancies and managed a couple of interviews but never anything concrete until now.....

Have been offered a role, little bit more money, flexibility of hours around my child (starting an hour earlier 3 days a week @ 8 rather than 9 but finishing at time i would normally do in my current role) sounds too good to be true on paper BUT (there is always one) I have 2 concerns:

  1. My current employer has always been good to me and me loyal to them so i feel SO guilty for even considering leaving - I know they will hate me for it and I don't want to let them down in any way
  1. The new job is contracted which is due to finish in 18 months - they will place me elsewhere IF there is the option which is concerning

So - I am not sure what to do - my current role is permanent (although figures are down and there have been talks of wage cuts / reduction of staff) so do i take the chance to move and then start looking again in about 12 months or stick where I am in the current recession for the stability of family life and to pay the bills??????
Think it has finally sunk in after all this time of looking that it can be a possibility rather than a dream - part of me is scared now too of stepping into the unknown but know I will be unhappy staying put

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squeakytoy · 08/02/2012 11:55

I wouldnt swap a secure role for a non-secure one in this climate. Even if your current employer makes you redundant, you have been there long enough to qualify for redundancy pay, and it would be daft to risk losing that, for the sake of a job that you may not have at all in 18 months.

Is there a way to have more flexibility of hours in your current role. If your employer wants to keep you, then they may be willing to help you out with that.

Mands0603 · 08/02/2012 12:07

There is a bit more to it than mentioned but i didn't want to go too long into it - I wouldn't qualify for redundancy as the company has changed hands a few times over the course of time therefore my contract this time only started a short while ago.

I am unhappy in the role as it isn't as the same anymore due to various things - I am just here with no clear direction no matter how much I ask which is starting to affect my home life.

If this other job was permanent then i wouldn't have any issues taking it - it is just the 18 month that sticks in my mind - they have said that they will try and place me elsewhere within a head office for example or if the contract is delayed i would still have a role until that contract ends but there are no guarantees - but then the other side of me wonders if this current job will still be here in 6 months never mind 18!

Thank you for your view though - i do understand what you mean!

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MediumOrchid · 08/02/2012 12:11

I agree with squeakytoy about sticking with a secure job rather swapping to a contract, however, don't let your first point influence your thinking. You have to do what's best for you in your career and although it's hard to tell an employer you're leaving they really wouldn't expect you to work for them your entire life and never consider leaving. They won't hate you - they may be a bit annoyed that they have to look for a replacement but they should respect your decision. And if they don't, they're being very unreasonable!

TroublesomeEx · 08/02/2012 12:13

If the company has changed hands many times why would you feel you are letting the 'current employer' down?

I too wouldn't change a secure position for a non-secure one, unless it really felt like it might lead somewhere else and I was prepared to take that risk.

You need to write down your pros and cons and then anticipated best and worst case scenarios.

I wouldn't stay in a job just because I worried about what they'd say about me leaving tbh. Those same people wouldn't think twice if they had the chance for a new post.

parisianwife · 08/02/2012 12:22

My current employer has always been good to me and me loyal to them so i feel SO guilty for even considering leaving - I know they will hate me for it and I don't want to let them down in any way

Without wanting to come across as too brash, I think you need a good reality check here.

Loyalty shouldn't come into what is essentially a business decision. If your employer was struggling for profits, or no longer had your job role available, whilst individual managers may be sad they had to let you go, the decision itself would be based on logic and their own interests - just as your decision to work there should be.

If they "hate" you for leaving, they're not professionals. These aren't your friends - you have a working relationship with them.

I am also concerned that having been there for 2 years you are slightly confusing your existing loyalty (which isn't a bad thing per se, it's just that you are of primary importance here) between different owners. You owe them nothing. You go in for an agreed benefits package, that's all - no more, no less.

Finally, having been there for 9 years, I do wonder if you are somewhat institutionalised. Perhaps because in my own industry you're considered stale for sticking with the same employer beyond 2 or 3 years (unless in a very senior position), I worry about your ability to adapt to change... you even use the phrase "better the devil" in your title. Such an attitude would set off alarm bells if I were your next employer - sorry! (I assume you managed to wow them enough at interview so that it either isn't a problem or you hid any confidence issues well - well done Smile).

I wouldn't think twice about going for your new job - 18 months is a long time.

If you don't learn to adapt in your working life, you are doomed. You end up in the situation where you can't get yourself out of a hole if you find yourself in one (employer starts treating you badly, you start working with an impossible colleague, whatever). That is something that should be avoided - flexibility is the key to jobs these days, long gone are our parents' generation of jobs where it was seen as disloyal to jump ship. My parents got rewarded for long service - I have never been in a job where it has been. When employers started to remove the benefits of having long service a couple of decades ago, so should any staff member's sence of overinflated loyalty. Unfortunately, people still have that kind of attitude hanging over from that time. Perhaps it's justified if you work in e.g. the public sector (where pay increased can be linked to number of years in service), but certainly not private sector.

Employers will use this misplaced sense of loyalty ruthlessly if you let them get away with it.

parisianwife · 08/02/2012 12:23

"I am also concerned that having been there for 2 years" - should have been "I am also concerned that having been there for 9 years" Smile

OldGreyWiffleTest · 08/02/2012 12:26

You've said that if you stay you will be unhappy. Says it all, really!

Mands0603 · 08/02/2012 12:39

parisianwife - THANK YOU! Reality check was needed - everything you said hit home I have in effect become stuck in a rut as I have been in this role for so long. You have made me look at it in a totally different way and I am so pleased!

The company has changed hands but the staff (inc. managers) have all stayed the same which i suppose is where the loyalty bits comes into it!

Thank you for all feedback - I am going to take the chance! :o

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parisianwife · 08/02/2012 12:46

You're welcome, Mands - remember, you may have a manager in job to job, but it's up to you to manage your working life. Too many people confuse the business decision to continue working somewhere (or not, in this case) with the day to day interactions with colleagues and supervisors (who, let's face it, most people do and want to get along with in a friendly manner).

My advice would be different if you were entitled to a redundancy package, etc. - as clearly it's a much bigger decision to hand in a secure job with masses of employment rights vs. a temp one with very few... but in your case, with the other facts surrounding employment, I thought it best to be honest re: the institutionalisation aspect.

I've seen colleagues and family members become like that over the years - my uncle was one. Spent 25 years employed in the same firm, when it closed in the late 1990s his emotions were akin to a bereavement, quite understandably. He did eventually get another job, but, he was never quite the same. What's worse is that he didn't even enjoy the job any more towards the last ten years of his life (by which time I was an adult and paid attention to his advice) but it was - familiar I think is the right word. Very sad - and makes me perhaps slightly zealous about this topic when I see it raised on MN. Employers, as I said, are too keen to exploit any sense of loyalty in their employees, whilst usually offering very little in return to earn it.

Nux · 08/02/2012 14:03

Are you sure that you are not entitled to redundancy OP? I say this because I work in HR and, regardless of getting a new contract, it sounds like you have 9 years continuity of service - which is what counts for redundancy packages. If the business has changed hands and you have moved with it, you will have retained continuity from your original start date regardless of whether you have a 'new' contract, unless you actually left work for more than 6 weeks and then were reemployed again at some point during the last 9 years.

Having said that - the fact you should be entitled to it doesn't mean you should make a different decision. Statutory redundancy is not a huge amount of money (although you may have an enhanced policy, check) - and you don't know whether your role would be made redundant anyway. It would be worth finding out how much you were entitled to in that event, and deciding whether the chance of that lump sum is worth giving up this opportunity for.

My experience is that people who hang around waiting to be made redundant (I have seen this a lot!) end up very frustrated, miserable and angry and usually would be far happier just moving to a new role if that's what they want.

Not sure if that helps or not!

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 08/02/2012 14:27

Risks are there for taking.

You answered your own question when you said you would be unhappy staying put.

Happiness is too important to turn away.

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