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To not want to give my newborn azo dyes in his medicine?

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AzoHater · 06/02/2012 13:06

My 3 week old baby has been prescribed some precautionary penicillin, as my toddler has a skin infection which could be nasty in a very young baby if passed on. Toddler is of course also on antibiotics and is no longer infectious.

When DH brought the baby's medicine back on Friday night, I saw that it was livid orange, and on reading the label it contained both E110 and E124 colourings. This is the first time I have come across this penicillin suspension, phenoxymethyl penicillin or penicillin V, but I gather it is a very common paediatric medicine.

E110 (sunset yellow, azo dye) is banned in Norway and Finland and is linked to asthma, urticaria, gastric upsets and hyperactivity. E124 (ponceau 4R, azo dye) is linked to asthma and hyperactivity and is considered carcinogenic. It is banned in several countries including the USA. The Foods Standards Agency have called for these dyes to be removed from foodstuffs. I called the pharmacy (Tesco) who had dispensed the medicine to ask if there was a version without colourings and was told that they did not have anything. The pharmacist seemed surprised that I was asking the question and told me to take up with the MHRA if I had a problem with it. I then called out of hours GP service, eventually getting to speak to a doctor. She said she understood my concern, and tried to find an alternative. However, she came back and said she couldn't find any version of this that didn't contain azo dyes. So she prescribed another antibiotic, which isn't considered 1st choice but didn't contain colourings. I was then left in the position of deciding whether to give an unweaned baby the colourings or the potentially less effective antbiotic.

I am a scientist by profession and certainly have no problem with giving medicine or any other intervention where the benefit outweighs the risk. If the issue was with the medicine itself, it would be entirely different. But I am at a complete loss as to why these ingredients are in a paediatric medicine. I can understand why flavourings are needed to make it more palatable, having had to get medicines down a toddler's throat. But what purpose does colouring serve? And why use these ones? In all the weaning advice we are told to avoid allergens under 6months and yet I am expected to give this to a newborn, in the context of us having a family history of asthma and food allergies (including myself, as certain food colourings used to make me vomit or give me headaches as a child).

I plan to write to the MHRA copying the Royal Pharmaceutical Society and the royal college of GPs to ask why this situation is allowed, and to ask them to review the use of azo dyes in medicines, or at least require that alternatives without them are available.

Does this sound like a reasonable course of action? Do any wise mumsnetters have experience with this, or any of you who are drs or pharmacists have an opinion? I understand that the prescriber doesn't have any control over what suppliers put in a medicine, but do you know if it is a common problem?

Any advice appreciated.

OP posts:
mousymouseafraidofdogs · 06/02/2012 13:09

yanbu at all.

AzoHater · 06/02/2012 20:53

Bumping for some evening traffic!

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sashh · 07/02/2012 05:59

You have probably started the antibiotics by now but IMHO

You are giving your child a medicine where the benefits outweigh the risks.

E110 is in loads of foods that someone may give your child in the future, and that you can control. There will be many many children brought up on locozade, jam sandwiches etc. etc.

In the scale of things a very small amount of something that may cause a short term reaction but will have long term benefit is worth the risk.

YANBU - children's meds (and adults) should not contain colourings just for the sake of it.

mrsmellow · 07/02/2012 06:09

YANBU - there shouldn't be colourings in suspension antibiotics and would love to hear if a pharmacist knows of a scientific reason that supports their use - I don't know if they have any other effect apart from colour?
I'm curious what skin infection your toddler has that requires prophylactic antibiotics in a newborn though, that is quite unusual and unless your baby has a skin infection his/herself then surely hand-washing and isolation would be adequate? But I'm happy to learn new things!

MoneyBunny · 07/02/2012 06:42

YANBU!!! I would probably not have spotted this myself, as I have trust in medication and believe my GP would only prescribe my children safe medicine.

As you say, had these been a necessity for the penicillin to work it would have been acceptable, but when it's not....!?

Thank you for brining this to our attention.

greenandcabbagelooking · 07/02/2012 08:02

Many suspensions discolour over time, but it doesn't affect the effectiveness of the drug. So the colouring is needed to stop people panicking that the med has gone off/is bad etc.

I would say that the dose you are giving a tiny baby will be small, 2.5ml maybe? The amount of colouring your baby will be getting is also quite small, you don't need a lot of colouring to produce a bright colour. And if the baby is not going to on it long term I think it would be okay.

I would give the more effective antibiotic. But I would also write to all the organisations above. There are other ways to dye foods etc.

YANBU.

Smellslikecatspee · 07/02/2012 08:08

YANBU, and please let us know if you do write and what reply you get.

AzoHater · 07/02/2012 08:26

Thanks. I will draft a letter when I can get a few minutes. mrsmellow it was a strep A infection, same thing which causes throat infections but went to his skin as he has eczema. It wouldn't be a big deal ordinarily, only that the baby is so young, we have all been given penicillin to try and avoid passing on as in people with less immunity it can cause some nasty invasive infections. I thought it sounded a bit odd, but both drs have told me its the best course of action. But it's part of the reason I am so annoyed, since the baby isn't actually even ill.

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RJRabbit · 07/02/2012 09:01

YANBU.

startail · 07/02/2012 09:17

YANBU
I generally don't worry about additives in things, but a pre weening tiny baby is different.
Also I remember some one on another forum complaining about this.
She had a AD DS and found excluding certain colourings helped. Bright yellow medicine didn't.
She also wondered why it wasn't possible to get basic medication without E numbers.

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