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WIBU to ask for a payrise?

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TheRealMrsHannigan · 01/02/2012 10:14

Not right now, seeing as I was given the annual pay review recently anyway.

I am currently undertaking ALOT of training on various systems for my role, as well as starting a course with much more 'depth' later this month to enhance my qualifications. By March/April I will be fully trained up to match one of my colleagues, as my manager has stated he wants our roles to be interchangeable in the event of holidays, sickness absence etc, so we'd essentially be doing the same job.
I am on approximately 5K less than this colleague (who is the same age as me), would it be unreasonable of me to ask, once my training is compete, that my pay be bumped up to match my colleagues?

I have never asked for a payrise before, and I don't want to come across as grasping or ungrateful, so am just worried how this could come across?

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Hulababy · 01/02/2012 15:23

Ask for a pay rise if you feel you deserve one and can give valid reasons for why the company should pay you more.

DH reckons one of the reason why women are generally paid less than men in similar jobs is that women don't go and ask for pay rises, compared to their make workers. He is very aware of this in his firm. Women don;t go and ask and then don't get the bigger raises. Men go and ask, and then negotiate better pay deals.

If you don't ask then you won't get.

nogoodswimmer · 01/02/2012 15:39

Hulababy the research into this backs up your DH's position (to some extent, clearly there are additional factors).

When women don't ask for pay rises, it's kind of a snowball effect. It means at their next job, they declare any previous salary at a lower level than their male peers. It influences pension payments (often, a percentage of salary), can affect bonus payouts (again, if a percentage of salary), and so on.

Non-directly, it can also boost people's self esteem and confidence at work - there's nothing like feeling undervalued to knock both of them, which again influences how women behave at work, and so on.

Women need to start asking for pay raises to the same level a man does. I once worked alongside another manager who commented (privately, we were also friends before and after we worked at the same company, although we're at different ends of the country to each other now and see each other only rarely) that it's not that women don't deserve the pay raises, it's that they don't allow their own managers to fight on their behalf. If you've got a sqeaky wheel male employee that the company wants to keep and is asking for a justified pay raise, he's going to get his slice of the wage pot for that financial year, isn't he? There's no hope of his silently seething female peer getting one then.

Also wanted to add that no salary negotiation should come as a surprise, to either party. I usually had an idea of what kind of salary increase I could authorise/justify (to myself, the directors) when I spoke with staff at their reviews... this stuff is formed months before the actual verbal negotiation is done across the table.

That's why it's so important to constantly stress your worth. Men do it - but women try and tear each other down sometimes, esp. in Britain, where the "selling yourself" idea is so much more reserved/frowned upon than, say, in the US.

It probably should be noted that I have worked in Sales for a large part of my career, or rather, within a sales environment, so find other sectors' employees far too laid back when it comes to slicing their share of the pie Grin

northerngirl41 · 02/02/2012 17:32

I agree to some extent - but I also think women are more risk averse than men - if you want a pay rise, you have to be able to justify it with valid business reasons and also be prepared to prove your case by moving jobs. If the company knows you get 2 days off a week, have your kids in a really fantastic nursery round the corner etc then they may well call your bluff when you say "But I'm worth £XXXX more..."

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