To want to ask DH to get the stupid dog out of the house?!

[MischeviousMum]

When we met he had 2 staffy/jack Russell crosses, outside dogs (we have a massive garden) that come in to sleep on a night.

His boss then gave him his 1 year old Doberman which also started as an outside dog. She was poorly over Christmas so we had her inside for 2 weeks. Now DH wants her in on an evening.

She drives me MAD! If 15 mth DS is still up she licks him all over, she bounds everywhere if she knocked DS over he would be flattened. She tries to pick him up by the scruff of his neck which DH thinks is cute. There are dog hairs EVERYWHERE and I am a clean freak. She's just been over to say hello to me and my cup of tea is full!
She barges into DS room when he's asleep and frightens the crap out of him.
DH justifies this as stupid dog checking on her puppy.

I've tried to compromise, she used to sit on the couch with us when she was poorly but now is in her basket on the floor.

She doesn't obey me in the slightest. I'm just fed up its me that has to clean all the dog hairs off the floor, mop the paw prints up, wipe the hairs off of DS toys bork

Can anyone advise of further compromise?!

I have posted this in the doghouse too.

Wow there are two types of MNetters helpful who actually read what was written and people who just read what they want and then start bashing. If you read I said she could come in when DS has gone to bed until she's been properly trained, the outside dog thing happened well before I met DH, and not once have I said that DS is scared of dog, apart from when she headbutts his door open and startles him awake!

Anyhoo to those who realised I wanted to figure out a way to get this resolved and advised training thank you for taking the time to read and understand and recommend....to the rest take your judgey pants elsewhere please.

MM, people are trying to help you,but they need to know what they are up against.

If you are going to get rid of the dog despite any advice, you will get suggestions of good ,honest, no-kill rescues to give the dog the best chance.

If you genuinely want to work through the problem and welcome the dog into your family you will get different advice.

It may seem harsh, but people are wanting the best resolution for you and your dog - hence the interrogation.

Are you in the UK op :)

see, where I live (US) outside dogs are the norm.

don't see the difference between a dog and a cow tbh, if cows can live outside so can dogs

we're thinking of putting our two outside as we literally have to drag my girl back inside when it rains or when we go to bed.
the only thing stopping me is I'm not sure if my boy would like it and I don't want to separate them.

think you should get rid of the dog really, its not working out.

The poor dog needs rehoming to people who will care for it, be consistant, not allow children to poke at it when its poorly, not chuck it out to a shed when its cold at night, not care about a bit of dog hair.

I know lots of people with outside dogs. Ours isn't, but .

Too true coccyx

What is the point of having an outside Dog ?

MishcheiviousMum Why do you refer to your dog as being stupid ? I think that you are stupid.

^She drives me MAD! If 15 mth DS is still up she licks him all over, she bounds everywhere if she knocked DS over he would be flattened. She tries to pick him up by the scruff of his neck which DH thinks is cute. There are dog hairs EVERYWHERE and I am a clean freak. She's just been over to say hello to me and my cup of tea is full!
She barges into DS room when he's asleep and frightens the crap out of him.
DH justifies this as stupid dog checking on her puppy^

The dog needs training, do you expect your DS to be able to read and write without training/teaching? No didn't think so its the same for dogs they need teaching how to behave.

To want to ask DH to get the stupid dog out of the house?!

This dog needs to go somewhere where it is loved by everyone, not just your DH.

Why is everyone having a go at the OP when it's her DH who brought the dog home without consulting her in the first place? FWIW, I love dogs and want one of our own, but I would be beyond furious if DH did this to me.

I say rehome the dog: in your shoes I would also be worried about your DS, you didn't choose her, you don't like her and your DH isn't around enough to take responsibility for her. None of that is the dog's fault, it's just the way it is, and if you rehome her now there are good odds that she'll be adopted by someone who has the time to train her.

I know of more dogs that live outside than in. There are many reasons people keep dogs outside and it does not automatically mean they are being mistreated.

What are the reasons ?

Outside dogs are also very common in Norway. Certain breeds get too hot inside, even at subzero degrees, they like it outside.

If you want to rehome her I will take her ! Message me :)

Other than that she needs training and boundaries x

In the right circumstances there is nothing cruel about keeping dogs outside. Sadly I don't have the space or resources here to create an acceptable set up (large covered run, insulated kennels/pop boxes/dog room, preferably in my case with access to parts of the house directly from the run) but my dogs would undoubtedly prefer to be outside the majority of the time. They are working dogs, a densely furred northern breed and can become too warm and bored in the house. I only have a pair but anyone with a racing team of 6+ dogs would either need to live in a mansion with a live-in cleaner or keep them kennelled outside.

That said, shoving an adolescent dobe outside and then wondering why it flies around the house like a whirlwhind when it's allowed in is daft at best. The dog needs to be trained in how to behave in the house, along with adequate exercise, training and stimulation outside the home. If both of you are not prepared to put the work in, there is no compromise and the dog would be better off elsewhere - please use a proper rescue and NOT Gumtree, Preloved etc.

Young dogs are not for the faint hearted and a doberman is a high energy intelligent breed that bores easily. As a consequence they need a bit more training and attention/exercise than some other breeds. However they are extremely obedient and i think if you take her to classes you will have a new appreciation for this amazing breed and hopefully be proud to own her. Three is a lot and if you decide not to keep her i am sure you will have no problem rehoming her to a good home as they are sought after. If you do decide to keep her it sounds like the problems can be easily fixed she wants to please you she was bred to obey and be loyal. I know it is hard when they are a bit all over the place but she is not doing it to p you off.

The animal home we got ours from won't rehome to people who want to keep them outside.
Quite right too, we have coevolved with dogs. They are pets, not some sort of wild beast.

The notion of dogs as pets rather than earning their keep as workers within the family is really quite new. Plenty of dogs are "outside" dogs, most sheepdogs are kenneled outdoors when not working, as are mkst gundogs.

I had always been bleating on about wanting an indoor dog

You are complaining about all the dog hair everywhere. Well, the indoor dog you've been bleating on about is going to leave his hair everywhere too.

OP,

I don't have a problem with "outside dogs" as long as their needs are being met,

Dobermans are very intelligent dogs, they need a purpose, they need constant excise,

our working doberman are training for at least four hours a day,

they are a dog that benefits from close handler work, and interaction,

the breed was created by a german bailiff tax collector, he wanted a dog that would focus on human behaviour and enter personal space, not as natural behaviour for standard K9,

I don't think this breed does do well as an outside dog, they need one to one, and a huge commitment to training,

the actions she is taking with your son is not acceptable, and really dangerous, that must not happen again, she must not ever put her mouth on a human, that should of been installed in her training before 12 weeks,

If you want to keep her, someone needs to get up at 6am tomorrow, walk for an hour and half, after the first hour do some training, repeat, three or four times a day,

dog agility, sniffer training, rescue training, that dog has an amazing level of intelligent, it needs occupying.

make sure all family members are on board and agree calls, signals,

if you are shouting or getting stressed, you are not doing correctly,

your dogs should be fed in calmest order, dog sitting quietest gets it bowl put down first,

find a decent trainer, enrol on a program,

Potentially you have an amazing dog there, or potentially you have a very nasty future.

What ever you do, you must never ever put the child or the dog in a space together, until the dog has been trained, the dog at the moment will end up hurting the child, not fair to either dog or child.

A doberman is always looking for a job vacancy, if you do not keep it occupied it will write it own's job description.

We get ours from Russia to avoid the heart problems as the gene pool was dived by the iron curtain, which is one good thing that came out of the cold war, or the breed would of been well and truly stuffed.