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in thinking that, if you donate to a charity, they should not send you letters asking for more money?

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LadySybilDeChocolate · 30/01/2012 15:55

I'm quite irritated to be honest. I have a monthly DD set up to a 'wildlife' charity. I'm being bombarded with emails and, today, I've received a letter asking me to increase my donation! AIBU to cancel the DD altogether?

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cozietoesie · 30/01/2012 21:31

I've DD'd for ages to MSF. The amount hasn't changed but they've only contacted me once in 7 years - to confirm my Giftaid status. If they started bombarding me, I'd leave.

KatieScarlett2833 · 30/01/2012 21:34

I disagree stubborn

It takes away guaranteed income, irritates and turns the donator off the charity to the point they will never donate to them again

The charity may gain in the short term, but over time I'm not so sure. There are only so many people who will donate, piss them off and what are you left with?

DexterTheCat · 30/01/2012 21:46

I cancelled my DD for the national Children's Deaf Society (I think that was what it was called). I admit it was only £3 a month and that was only because they caught me unprepared cold calling at my front door.

They never let me a lone after that. I have caller ID so just used to ignore the calls. However I did pick up once and was basically told '£3 a month isn't that much' and couldn't I increase it to £10. I cancelled the DD and I'm sure that as it was 'only' £3 a month they wouldn't have missed it as it wasn't much anyway!!!

RevoltingPeasant · 30/01/2012 22:05

I think a lot of this depends on how they contact you.

The charity DP works for gives people a 'welcome call' after they join - without giving too much away you get access to certain facilities after you join and they check that you know where your nearest ones are.

You also get emails with local events etc regularly plus guides/ magazines a couple of times a year.

So much of the contact is information and is about stuff you can do with your membership, iyswim.

Then when special 'campaigns' are going on they contact people directly to ask if they can give and/or if someone has been on the same DD amount for quite a while, they might ring to ask if they are able to increase. But they log people who say no so they don't get a callback within 18 mos or something.

I don't think that is too much, personally. What does hack me off is Oxfam door to door people who can't shut up till they've finished their ten minute spiel Angry

LadySybilDeChocolate · 30/01/2012 22:10

Now, that would be useful RevoltingPeasant. Ds would love to get involved further (rather then use my money).

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RevoltingPeasant · 30/01/2012 22:11

Well if you like I can PM you the name of the wildlife charity dp works for Wink

See we never stop!!!!

Sorry to take up your thread with essays Blush

LadySybilDeChocolate · 30/01/2012 22:15

Grin Go ahead (as long as it's not the WWF). I can't see any essays on here. Smile

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samandi · 31/01/2012 06:33

Write a letter saying you do not appreciate your donation being used for spam.

InWithTheITCrowd · 31/01/2012 06:59

A couple of years ago, I cancelled my DD (£10 a month) to a well-known charity, as I was being made redundant and was looking to save where we could. They phoned me as soon as they received my cancellation, and I was honest with them. I was a bit vulnerable at the time...well paid job ending, had only been there two years so no redundancy payout, we'd recently moves and just bought a new car, so lots to low. The charity man on the phone actually said,"oh these things do cause problems for charities. If you're sure you can't continue giving at the moment, what month do you think you might be employed again, and I'll put a note on the system to phone you"
His charity lost out from me after that, and when I did get another job (fortunately almost immediately) I ensured that I set up a DD somewhere else.
It's a shame as we are punishing the charities for their selling methods, but it doesn't alter the need. There's always another worthwhile cause to support, and I guess we can all only do so much. yanbu, though...

InWithTheITCrowd · 31/01/2012 07:00

Lots to lose*. Really should proofread!

ReduceRecycleRegift · 31/01/2012 08:50

stubborncow aggressive fundraising may meet short term targets, but surely it's a false economy if people cancel DDs they were rail roaded into or into increasing, and avoid that charity like the plague for the rest of their lives!

I'm happy with how the RSPB, Sally Army, DEC, VdP and British Red Cross communicate with me, If another charity pisses me off I have a few on my good list that will soak up any spare change an aggressive charity leaves me with! I will never donate to WWF or Shelter again, I am quite sad about Shelter in particular, it is a serious issue but really cannot be dealing with their horrible staff!, and Sally Army and VdP work with some of the same issues.

The OP isn't saying she'll never donate to charity again, just that this one got it wrong!

JollySergeantJackrum · 31/01/2012 08:56

I had long conversation with red cross last summer as they kept calling me to tell me about some new crisis and could I give more. I told them in no uncertain terms that if they contacted me again asking for more money I'd cancel my contribution. They haven't called again.

lottiegb · 31/01/2012 11:09

I've experienced the direct sell from Shelter too. Interestingly though, I was quite impressed, for two reasons. I'd had a direct debit with them for a few years. They phoned one evening and asked if I'd increase it. What I liked was that, in a matter of fact way, they got straight to the point. They didn't warble on for ten minutes while I was trying to cook dinner. Being faced with a direct question was a good way of getting a direct answer, I thought 'well it has been at the same level for a few years now, why not?' and increased it.

Later I rationalised my DDs and changed to payroll giving (where it comes off your pay before tax). Shelter was the only one of 5 charities to notice that my usual DD hadn't come through in the first month. They called, I told them I'd changed payment method, fine.

Then I left that job and, being unemployed for a while, did nothing to replace the lapsed payroll giving. Some of the charities (and some I'd culled earlier) continued to send me magazines and things for at least a year and gave no indication of having noticed that I was no longer paying them. That did not impress, I'd rather be asked, once, what had happened.

The only reason I've left a membership-based charity in the past is that their admin was so totally hopeless that it gave me the impression the whole place must be badly run - and I told them so. So I want efficiency without pushiness.

Sending piles of tat or writing repeatedly suggests poor choices too but, my worst offender for endless letters and texts is the blood donation service. I accept they must have analysed costs and benefits and know it is worth continuing to write.

Having worked for a few small to medium charities, not in fundraising or membership but often sitting close enough to overhear, a few thoughts:

  • Banks are universally useless. They fail to pay DDs, pay them when they shouldn't and are incapable of sorting out mistakes. Sometimes the bank screws up and the charity has to contact the member to check whether they intended not to pay. Often the member thinks the charity can sort out this out with the bank when in fact only they can authorise or cancel a DD on their account.
  • People's partners can complicate things. One person sets up a DD, the other one cancels it. The charity calls to ask if they meant to cancel, they hadn't, they think it's the charity's mistake.
  • Some people will sign up for the most bizarrely high DD contributions when faced with a 'face to face recruiter' (type with stall in supermarket, garden centre etc), presumably because they aren't thinking through the consequences of a monthly payment. Some of these people may be a bit vulnerable but very enthusiastic. Some just want the free stuff in the membership pack and fully intend to cancel immediately. Either way, the higher the DD the more likely to lapse fast. Lower-rate, steady memberships are the ones you really want.
  • If you're serious about chosing a charity, go direct, not through these recruiters, who do have to be paid, out of your first year payment. Though, to reach the less motivated, they are worth it.
  • 'It's the recession, I don't have the money' is a pretty watertight reason to give for reducing or cancelling, as all but the most tactless charites will have to take that at face value even though they know that half the time it's not the reason.
  • At smaller charities the people who call you and the receptionists are often volunteers. They have some training but it's not the same as using paid staff - for better or worse. We used to have trustees (the most dedicated people ever, who've given hours a week for years of their lives) coming in to help staff with occasional call campaigns. They were incredibly polite.

My best gentle brush-off lines are, to chuggers (started because it was true, realised it would be useful even if not) 'I already support you' smile, everyone happy. To anyone else, 'I already have a set of direct debits to my chosen charities, can't support everyone, best of luck'.

There, you said there weren't any essays, now there are!

ChaoticAngel · 31/01/2012 12:19

My brush off line to chuggers is 'I haven't got any money so I won't waste your time.'

I support Dogs Trust. They send me an occasional letter, mainly supposedly off the dog but sometimes telling me that they're doing x and if I'd like to donate I can contact x. This is fine, there's no hard sell.

I also get emails, usually about either 'waggy walks', in my area, that I can join in with if I want or telling me that eg christmas cards are for sale on their website. These are also fine.

What I do like about this charity is I've never had a phone call off of them doing the hard sell. As long as they continue to not phone and I have the money to do so then I'll continue to support them. Even if there comes a time when I can't continue to support them I would start again once I was in a position to do so.

RoxyRobin · 31/01/2012 12:34

I'm worried now. My friend died recently and I sent a one-off donation to a big charity concerned with the illness she had instead of buying flowers. They said they would send a card to the next-of-kin to let them know I'd done this so I gave them her husband's address.

Reading all this I'm now afraid they will use this information to pester him in the future. I'd be mortified if they did. As if he hasn't had enough to put up with.

I'm now wishing I'd just sent flowers after all.

bruffin · 31/01/2012 12:45

I said it above, if you don't want any further contact just ring the charity and ask to be taken off the mailing list.

sherbetpips · 31/01/2012 12:53

Plus they also sell your details to all their other partner charities who continue to bombard you. My MIL started getting the really fancy packs through with gifts in them. She was getting two or three a day plus phone calls. I got her re-registered with MPS and TPS and told her in no uncertain terms not to respond to anymore of them or call the numbers on the telly. Did you know they also increase your direct debit without asking first? You will find they 'told' you on the bottom of some other begging letter you didnt read....

ReduceRecycleRegift · 31/01/2012 12:59

"Reading all this I'm now afraid they will use this information to pester him in the future"

they do Sad I did this for someone once and they were bombarded with hard sell sob stories

sausagesandmarmelade · 31/01/2012 14:37

We got this with Save the Children. We also found it annoying...but it doesn't seem to happen now.

jandymaccomesback · 31/01/2012 16:17

I had a lot of trouble with the Salvation Army who kept sending to DFiL even though I had told them four or five times that he was dead. Eventually they stopped sending in his name and sent "to the current occupier" instead. The house was sold at this point so have no idea if the new owners are still being bothered by them.

RuleBritannia · 31/01/2012 17:25

When my father's funeral took place - long time ago - donations were given to me for St Oswald's Hospice. I sent a letter with the cheques explaining how I'd accumulated them. What happens? I have a letter sent to me every so often with free something or other (can't remember what - might have been gift labels) and eventually, the unsolicited mail stopped - after about 5 years.

Charities use the donations to send out envelopes (postage paid), letters asking for money, raffle tickets, cuddly toys (that leopard one), free gifts etc. Why isn't the money used for the purpose of the charity?

Blacksquirrel · 31/01/2012 18:18

I cancelled my nspcc donation due to weekly harassment to up my donation.

I now give to 2 charities directly from my wages & all I get is quarterly letters with an update.

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