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AIBU to complain about MIL's gift-buying technique?

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Chingchok · 27/01/2012 06:52

I get on fairly well with my MIL but one of the things that frustrates me (ok, I'll admit there are lots of things!) is the way she buys gifts.

Background:
I have a toddler who she adores (our first baby, her third grandchild), and so naturally she likes to buy him things. For example before he was born, she bought vast amounts of baby clothes, which was a great help (although we didn't manage to use them all as he grew so fast!)

What we find hard to deal with is that she won't seem to listen if we say something is not necessary or not to our taste. My partner just says "stop buying things", while I try to let her know what we like...ie raving about the occasional hits, or going shopping with her, or ordering stuff and having it sent to her house (we live in different countries). I know she LOVES to shop!

But it doesn't seem to work. Neither of us want to see her and FIL basically throwing their money away. It's compounded by the fact that she insists on sending huge parcels that cost more to send than the actual contents, containing all kinds of food that spoils, clothes he won't wear...And toys that he doesn't play with, or which are really hard work (ie millions of pieces/really noisy), or books that my partner completely hates.

The thing is, my parents tend to ask us what our toddler is into right now, and then will ask us to buy it here. Online shopping hasn't really taken off here so options are slightly limited. They do like to choose gifts, too, so they'll suggest stuff, or we'll give them some suggestions of books and toys, then they'll choose what they prefer. My parents do send the occasional lightweight gift, and obviously if we visit they buy what they want to. I know some people feel that it takes the pleasure out of buying, but it's so much more practical. And we don't feel guilty about them wasting their money on postage (I'm talking astronomically high rates!).

The current frustration is that we recently lost a necklace that we bought when baby was 5 months, and we asked her and FIL to order a replacement. The shop had none in store but had them online, and since it only accepts locally-registered cards, we asked if they'd mind placing the order. FIL said sure no worries. Last night she came on Skype and showed us a similar but different necklace that she'd found in a local shop. It's really sweet of her but we were quite attached to the one we lost, and just wanted to get the same one (which was specially made for babies). She's insisting on posting it. I just smiled and said thank you so much, partner said nothing...

I guess it's not new, because even pre-baby she used to drag us to the shops and get angry if we didn't choose something (it didn't matter if they didn't stock what we liked, we couldn't come home empty-handed). We buy a lot of things online and perhaps have "unusual" tastes from her point of view, so the local shopping centre may well have nothing we like. It took many many years before FIL convinced her to respect our likes and dislikes and not force us into buying "just anything". But it's back to square one since our son was born.

What would you do? Say nothing and let things continue as they are (they're not short of cash and it does make her happy...). Or try again to explain gently that the necklace was special to us and we wanted to replace it? And quietly tidy away the endless clothes/books/toys (feel guilty too!). Not to mention the noisy cards he gets without fail EVERY year?

Just putting this into writing I feel unreasonable and ungrateful, so I guess there's my answer!

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kreecherlivesupstairs · 27/01/2012 07:03

Print this off and show her.
I do think you are a bit cheeky though, I would no more think of asking my parents to replace a necklace (why would a baby need one) than fly.

diddl · 27/01/2012 07:06

Why on earth didn´t you just replace the necklace yourself?

I think it´s really off to moan about her shopping habits/what she buys & then ask her to buy something for you!

ScroobiousPip · 27/01/2012 07:11

I think the OP explained why she asked her PIL to replace the necklace:

'The shop had none in store but had them online, and since it only accepts locally-registered cards, we asked if they'd mind placing the order.'

I live overseas and have the same problem that UK websites won't always accept my NZ credit card - my family often do the same for me.

OP - I'm not sure this is a battle you are going to win. but you may well find that as your DS grows older and start to speak his own mind, he'll tell your PIL what he wants and doesn't want so the problem sorts itself. If you do really want to get it in hand, perhaps open a bank account for his school/uni education and suggest that they contribute to that instead of buying lots of stuff? As for the necklace, perhaps your parents could help replace it?

gamerwidow · 27/01/2012 07:17

I think you realise yourself how ungrateful you're being. You say you and your DH don't like the toys and books that are bought but does your DS feel the same.
You sound a little bit snobby about the things your DS owns what is so awful about the books that are bought that your DH hates them for example? Surely you can make the time to occassionally play with toys that might be hard work for you but good fun for DS? What is so wrong with a noisy card, he'll only have it for one day?

Are you one of these dull people who only want designer wooden toys that they can be smug about for their children?

diddl · 27/01/2012 07:22

"I think the OP explained why she asked her PIL to replace the necklace:

'The shop had none in store but had them online, and since it only accepts locally-registered cards, we asked if they'd mind placing the order.'"

Yea-so she´s happy to use them to buy stuff when it suits her-but wobetide that they send things of their choosing.

HandMini · 27/01/2012 07:27

It's simple - either you graciously and politely accept the gifts she gives you, or graciously and politely ask her not to buy ANY gifts, say other than one per person at birthday and Christmas.

Either of these options is acceptable.

If she asks, and only if she asks, you can give suggestions for type of gift.

georgethecat · 27/01/2012 07:31

meh the lady is enjoying herself doing what grannies do best, spoiling her grandchild rotten. You can't stop her only maybe guide her, even if it is irritating to end up with a houseful of stuff.

Chingchok · 27/01/2012 07:41

Thanks, Scroobius, that's exactly it. I am from one country, partner from another, and we live in a third one. I registered to the website and tried to use my card but they do not accept foreign cards.

gamerwidow, that's a bit of a leap. No, it's not about being smug, and there's no snobbery involved. She mainly buys clothes in fact, the toys are rare. He's not been crazy about the toys, so they've just ended up abandoned. I know I'm being unreasonable about the million pieces that I spend hourse picking up, and I know it's unreasonable to whine about the noisy cards!
And DP is also being unreasonable about the "inane" books...

We know we're very lucky that they are so generous. It's just a little overwhelming this huge drive to buy so much, and as I said, it feels wasteful and we feel guilty and pressured.

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DialsMavis · 27/01/2012 07:44

The gifts are presents from y MIL and FIL to your DS, unless They are dangerous, illegal or wildly inappropriate they they are nothing to do with you TBH. Leave the poor woman alone, A lot of what my MIL buys my DC is ahem " not to my taste" but do what. They invariably love whatever tat she has bought them anyway and the tasteful gifts we have lovingly chosen are put in a corner and forgotten about Grin. When I was a child in the late 80s I was desperate for one of those hideous shell suits as everyone had one. My mum wouldn't let me have one as they were "vile and common" (admittedly with hindsight she had a point). However my Nanna got me one and I adored it- ditto cabbage patch dolls (a lot was deemed common and vile and thus banned in my childhood. Now history is repeating itself!

KnockDiddyKnockKnock · 27/01/2012 07:54

Ugh, your posts have reminded me of how I felt after my DS was born. I'm not proud of myself looking back on it now.

MIL really enjoyed buying for DS, and none of it was to my taste, and I couldn't bring myself to be grateful.

He had a potty before he was born and a bike by the time he was 6 months old thanks to her. We were crammed in a one bedroom flat at the time and it used to get on my wick.

My MIL and your MIL, they are just being nice. They are showing they care, and I'm sure we'd both be a lot more pissed off if they didn't show it.

If you really don't like the stuff, donate it, gift it, sell it or whatever. Don't tell her, it will hurt her and it's not worth it just to avoid a minor irritation.

Chingchok · 27/01/2012 08:01

So far I've gone for "graciously and politely accept". And I would never tell her what I wrote here.

We have never before asked them to order anything for us (it's always the contrary, if they want to buy anything from the UK), and we won't again. Her other grandson wore one, she thought it was adorable, and it was my SIL that suggested we get one for our son originally. The subject came up because I sent pictures and she asked where his necklace was as he used to wear it daily. So we told them we'd lost it a few months ago and been unable to replace it because of the card issue.

Yes, she does love to spoil him, and us, but it has to be expensive things - if we suggest inexpensive gifts she gets angry and says she wants to spend more. Whereas I want his favourite things to be "things that Grandma A bought", rather than just "thinks that Grandma B" bought (as is currently the case), or to have the pretty "first Christmas card" from Grandma A" to be able to keep (not the noisy one we all hate and he's scared of). I should probably quit being so sentimental about material stuff, at the end of the day it doesn't matter so very much. She chooses what she wants, he either likes it or he doesn't, we either put him in the clothes or we don't...

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Chingchok · 27/01/2012 08:12

You're right. I will sort through and donate the things we can quietly get rid of.

I will also quit worrying about the postage fees. To be fair to both of us, if we didn't care about her we would just let her get on with it, wasteful or not. And probably they do have enough money that it doesn't matter to them.

One thing I never want is for him to be ungrateful or complain about the gifts he gets, and it's a pretty bad example to set (luckily it's mainly in my head/on a public internet forum for all to see...)

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BerthaTheBogBurglar · 27/01/2012 08:53

You do not need to feel guilty - she is enjoying shopping and she can afford it. You are doing her a favour by providing an outlet for her shopping habit.

You do not need to feel grateful - she isn't doing it for your benefit or your baby's benefit (if she was she'd listen to you when you say what is wanted or needed). The insistence on buying expensive things rather than things you think he'd like, shows that this is about her, not him.

You don't have to keep the stuff. Having to sort through and get rid of stuff is an occupational hazard of being a parent. If your dc has too many toys or clothes, you sort through and get rid of the surplus. Doesn't matter where the extra things came from - you get rid of what is not needed or too much for your house. Even if it has only just arrived.

Water off a ducks back ...

KnockDiddyKnockKnock · 27/01/2012 09:03

You're not harming anyone by getting it off your chest on MN, so no of course you're not setting a bad example.

And, yes, leave her to worry about the postage fees. Most overseas relatives would gift in a different way to avoid the postage. She isn't because she likes to shop Smile

gardenplants · 27/01/2012 09:08

OP - MIL sounds like a major shopper. In your position, I'd just let her do it - she's enjoying it and she sound like she has enough money.

I would keep the bits you need and sell the stuff you don't need, not sure where you are but is eBay an option for you? Or any other method of selling? You can put the money in an account for your DC if you feel guilty.

Re the necklace, if you want to replace it, get your mum to order it, presuming she is in an appropriate country? Don't say anything further to MIL about the necklace as she clearly tried but didn't really get the point.

HappyHoppyHippy · 27/01/2012 09:18

I don't think YABU. Next time ask a MNetter to help out Wink. Was it a teething necklace?

Your mil could be a lot worse though. At least she is involved and sounds caring Smile

FaithHopeAndKevin · 27/01/2012 09:26

I agree that she's not doing it for the benefit of you (or she would consider taste/space) or your DC (or she would not waste money on postage but just put in bank account) - it's for her, it's her thing.

Thinking like this 'frees' you up to keep, re-gift, sell or charity shop whatever comes your way.

aldiwhore · 27/01/2012 09:40

Having an over generous loved one can be a PITA, even if it sounds ungrateful. We'll never change my mother who sends random parcels containing things we neither want or need. We have tried. We live in the same country as her and weirdly the parcels arrive in abundance about a week after she's visited us.

What we do, and she knows this, is anything we don't need we Ebay and put in a savings account for the boys. She still gets to go crazy with her card, our boys benefit, and our house isn't cluttered with random, frankly horrible, things.

I NEVER ask her to get anything though. Its more hassle than its worth.

We've found a solution that keeps everyone happy without being ungrateful, we're extremely grateful.

CalatalieSisters · 27/01/2012 09:51

Hmm, I can see both sides. My MIL has a tendency to press unwanted things (luckily inexpensive) on us, and I feel torn between appreciating her generosity and wondering if it really counts as generosity at all if it is determinedly blind about the value of the gift to its recipients. On balance, I try to be appreciative but it can be hard.

Her gifts include:

*Mega-large dispensers of E45 moisturiser that she will smuggle into the house and stack alongside the last, unused dispenser (I think she gets these free from NHS and hoards them for us, though we've never given her reason to think we use them)

*Cartons of paracetamol, shoved into cupboards on arrival without mentioning. We had enough to kill a village until I threw them out

*A little picture of the pope, hidden on a shelf as a kind of secret talisman to bring good fortune on our household

*Clothes: I try very hard to tell her politely not to bring them, because she always chooses according to her own taste. After a few years I took to politely refusing them. But recently I have just found the refused clothes in our wardrobes after she has left.

A difficult thing is that she is very very unwilling to receive any gifts, and makes no bones about telling us she doesn't want whatever we give her for a birthday or whatever. It feels rather infantilising of us, as if she wants to be the all-providing parent and we can only receive not give. Her refusal of all gifts makes me realise that there is generosity involved in receiving/appreciating as well as in giving, so I try (not always successfully) to bite my tongue about the piles of unwanted things she brings.

BleatingRose · 27/01/2012 10:10

This reminds me of a colleague who was sending huge sets of Biff, Chip and Kipper books to HK! Hmm
Of course no one in HK has ever learned to read English without ORT... must have cost her 3x cost of books to send.

Maybe just gently talk about what things he does like playing with? Yyou won't be able to stop her though I'm afraid...

BleatingRose · 27/01/2012 10:11

Am I allowed to laugh about the hidden Pope? Sorry, it would probably make me blow a gasket, but it's hilarious!

aldiwhore · 27/01/2012 10:16

CalatalieSisters so funny! At least my mum doesn't put gifts away, or hide popes!!

Laughing at the clothes in the wardrobes too... there's probably a few things you haven't found yet!

(She does sound a bit fab your mum) Grin

Bewilderedmum · 27/01/2012 10:22

CalatalieSisters - sorry - I'm snigortling about enough paracetamol to kill a village! :o

switchtvoffdosomelessboring · 27/01/2012 10:22

Just imagine Chinchok, 25 years time, your DS has just had a baby. So you decide to buy your new grandchildren some lovely presents, a nice necklace and some toys, a few books and a lovely outfit from a little boutique shop to pass each day.

Your DIL, who you try to like (despite secretly thinking she is a bit controlling), tells you to stop buying such shite, and moans that the outfit that you think is lovely is bloody awful.

How would you feel?

Take the gifts, pretend to be grateful, them do what you please with them.

Chingchok · 27/01/2012 12:10

Wow. I just went away to cook dinner and...!

Thanks for all the responses and good advice. I will do my best to get rid of the guilt etc, while simultaneously decluttering the house! And I think those of you that said it's for her benefit are right - an internet order doesn't get her out the house on a "mission", and she is very set in her beliefs about what to buy and what not to buy.

Yes, it was a teething necklace (although we don't believe it works, so it's not desperately urgent).

Calatalie, your post made me laugh but was also very familiar; have we got the same MIL or something? We still have a vast amount of paracetamol MIL left in the bathroom cupboard (I think she thinks the English type doesn't work), I've just given away several large bottles of baby skin products (moisturisers etc) that my son had a huge allergic reaction to, and although I giggled at the pope thing, we've had St Christopher medallions secretly stitched inside pillow cases, baby clothes and so on... And the refusing of gifts - MIL does exactly that!

She refuses point blank to accept that we also want to buy her something and want to know what she would like (am now laughing at the idea that she's probably groaning and rolling her eyes at our feeble attempts at a lovely Christmas present!).

I always used to wonder why SIL seemed to be nagging her re: gifts...she has dealt with it by refusing point blank, telling her exactly what she wants, and leaving the kids with MIL and FIL so often (weeks at a time) that they get nagged to death about what they want (and they get it!).

Also - "I feel torn between appreciating her generosity and wondering if it really counts as generosity at all if it is determinedly blind about the value of the gift to its recipients". I sort of feel that way too.

It genuinely doesn't seem to matter to MIL what we think (although we are probably hiding our dislike so well that she actually has no idea)

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