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Ex and inappropriate? present for ds...

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easeldoesit · 20/01/2012 16:38

This is a situation concerning me, ex, and our ds (8).

I've posted elsewhere about connected issues but would rather not quote them in this thread, I really want to know if I'm overreacting to this specific issue or not.

Started in the summer. I picked ds up from his regular contact with ex, and he proudly showed me his latest treat from his father: a pellet gun.

It's says 18 yrs-plus on the box, it's an imitation firearm (ie from my layman's POV, looks pretty much like a real gun), fires those small ball-bearing size plastic pellets.

I took it off him straight away. Texted ex to say, what on earth were you thinking. He got angry and defensive.

I left it there, but ds was upset and won't let it go. I have explained they are dangerous, and illegal (? not sure, but a cursory google leads me to believe it is illegal for adults to supply such items to underage kids?). In the short time ds had it he had already shot himself in the face (he asked me if he had a mark on his forehead, I said no, when I asked why, he said because he had fired it into a bin when his dad was out of the room, and the pellet had bounced back and hit him on the forehead).

DS keeps bringing it up. Then I find ds upset one evening, ask him why. He says it is because of the pellet gun. He wants another one. Then he says that his dad has offered to buy him another one, and just 'don't tell your mum.'

I challenge ex, who says "If I want to get him a pellet gun, I'll get him a pellet gun." He says I'm overreacting, says (and has clearly told ds, since ds keeps saying it to me), that "they are not dangerous when used correctly."

I'm kind of used to my parental authority being undermined, tbh. But I'm actually anxious to the point my heart is racing and I can't sleep. Because I hand ds over to this man twice a week and it seems he does not even register things that could cause harm.

I am curious what other people's opinions are. Do you think I feel too strongly about this? Or is it common for 8yr olds to have such things as 'toys'? DS knows 2 other kids that have them.

On the first occasion I was tempted to go to the police but didn't in the end, 1) because even if illegal it didn't seem like they would consider it a serious issue, more like a domestic spat that 2 adults couldn't sort out themselves and that it would be an overreaction on my part, 2) because I was worried the police would go round to see ex and he would react vindictively against me (without wanting to go too far into details, he is emotionally/verbally abusive, very paranoid/defensive).

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loopsylou · 20/01/2012 16:50

Report to police :o He cannot legally buy it for a minor, and he's threatening to buy him another one as well. I can't find the link right now but there was a case a few years back of a child being seriously injured after accidently being shot in the throat with a pellet gun. He was in hospital for 2 months with internal bleeding and had to be resuscitated twice after choking. :( BAN IT. Tell Ex that if u find out he has bought him a dangerous weapon you will get SS involved and stop contact. Sorry he's such an irresponsible prick. :( poor u.

GlitterySkulls · 20/01/2012 16:52

no way would i give a child a pellet gun. they're too dangerous.

what planet is your ex on?

blueballoon79 · 20/01/2012 16:53

What loopsylou said. I agree with her 100%.

StewieGriffinsMom · 20/01/2012 16:56

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makachu · 20/01/2012 16:56
Shock

That is shocking. I think you should notify the police.

What exactly is it he wants your son to do with a pellet gun anyway???

Jins · 20/01/2012 16:57

Minimum age to purchase a bb gun is 18 and there has to be adult supervision of users between 14-18.

Also they shouldn't look realistic as you have to be a member of a recognised group to have one of them. It sounds like a dodgy import to me

airborne · 20/01/2012 16:57

If he had been taught how to use it correctly then he would not have shot it in the bin! Can you make ex see this point? That might lead onto him thinking you are accusing ex of not teaching him properly, but then I would argue that this is the reason why it is 18+ - kids will not always think of dreadful consequences when given what they consider is a toy.
I think you were absolutely right in taking it from him.
Can you offer a nerf gun instead if its really bothering him? My DS shoots balloons at the park with his!

Afraid I don't know about the legalities of air guns, perhaps you can get 'advice' from the police? And if ex is insistent then you can spout off the advice, then he knows you are serious and worried, without involving them in the matter.

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wineandroses · 20/01/2012 17:10

My understanding is that you have to be 18 to buy a BB gun, and that children younger should be supervised by an adult, with the guns not being recommended to be used by anyone under 14, but that is down to parental discretion, so long as use is on private property. So if your ex-H says he will supervise your son, it may not be illegal. Clearly he isn't supervising him though is he, given the incident with the pellet rebounding off the bin. 8 is far too young to have a gun, your ex is an idiot.

I would be tempted to have a chat with your local community police officer in order to understand exactly what the law is. You could tell your ex you will report the incident of non-supervision to the police if he insists on buying another gun.

easeldoesit · 20/01/2012 17:19

I know, I know...why would he buy it. He could go to any toy shop and spend the equivalent on something that's fun and safe and that ds would love :(

DS already has a nerf gun (as well as cowboy type plastic thing) but of course when you're 8 and your dad tells you it's ok to have something that looks real and fires for real...

I have spoken to ds many times about the issues involved and why I'm not happy with him having one of these, he can be very 'fixed' in his ideas though it is not easy to explain a point of view that's different form his own, not helped by his father acting in direct opposition to me.

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rootietootie · 20/01/2012 17:20

Pellet guns are dangerous and can kill.poor wee boy

Why would anyone in their right mind give a child a gun with this kind of deadly power????

PomBearAtTheGatesOfDoom · 20/01/2012 17:21

People have been shot dead by the police for waving imitation fire arms around! Ok so that is the extreme scenario, but it seems that as guns get more common "on the streets" and used in more and more crimes, and more and more by youngsters against youngsters, the police are getting more used to believing that when they get a call saying "he has a gun" it could be a real gun. (As opposed to at one time they just wouldn't have thought a child could get their hands on one)
What happens if your DS (God forbid!) decides to take it out to show a friend, or take it to school, or take potshots at cats/birds/passersby out of his bedroom window? he is EIGHT :( and your ex is an arse of the first water.

boredandrestless · 20/01/2012 17:26

I would speak to the police about it, ask them to have a word with both ex and your DS. Tell them you have taken one away from him but his dad is saying he will just buy him another one. Even if your ex doesnt listen to a policeman I bet your DS would.

Jins · 20/01/2012 17:27

Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 (Realistic Imitation Firearms) Regulations 2007 applies.

If it looks realistic then it is illegal to be owned by anyone who isn't registered.

crazygracieuk · 20/01/2012 17:28

Your ex is a nutter! My kids will only be having nerf guns or computer game guns until they can legally own a real one and personally I'd rather they didn't unless they joined the police or something.

Do the other 2 boys really own one? Are you sure that they are not pretending that their Dad's/older brother's/other adult relative's one is theirs?

Jins · 20/01/2012 17:28

They burn well btw

Very satisfying. I've sorted a couple this way

easeldoesit · 20/01/2012 17:29

I'm lucky really that ds is an honest child (despite ex's efforts to train him in the opposite direction) and that he told me. I've tried to explain my concerns reasonably, I don't want him to feel I'm having a go at him. He's very confused because he's been put in a confusing position, he shouldn't (IMO) ever have been made to think it's ok to have one at his age (I've said they're for "big boys" and that "maybe when he's a teenager" it'll be ok, but ex continues to engage in discussion about it against my wishes).

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easeldoesit · 20/01/2012 17:32

One of the other children is a relative of my ex Hmm and I know he has one and is allowed to shoot it at home, at a blanket hanging over a window (double Hmm)

The other child is at ds's school, he told ds that his dad has a gun and he is allowed to shoot it with his dad/when his dad is there, don't know what type of gun that is.

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ThatVikRinA22 · 20/01/2012 17:33

your ex is an arse of the very highest order.

i am in police and i often get called to reports of kids shooting squirrels etc with these type of weapons in the woods/parks etc

if we catch under 18's with them they are taken off them, and depending on the age of the child, and the type of weapon used, they could theoretically be arrested.

im not absolutely up on the firearms act, but it does have specific advice on under 18's. (i can check when i get back to work next week)

if i were you, i would speak to the police with regard to your ex buying your 8 year old an imitation firearm - thats what it is, you could just ring up for advice. I think i would also seriously consider what kind of influence your ex is being to your son when he has his access visits and i would have no hesitation what so ever in speaking to your solicitor about it.

guns are dangerous. your ex is an idiot.

kreecherlivesupstairs · 20/01/2012 18:09

Shock why would anyone even think it was OK, let alone act on that thought?

SecretMinceRinser · 20/01/2012 18:42

Can't he get him a kids one with sponge things to shoot out or something? Imagine if the pellet had bounced back into his eye or someone elses?

sunshineandbooks · 20/01/2012 18:51

If you're X is insisting on putting your DS in danger like this and you are worried by possible repercussions, then your DS is not safe having unsupervised contact with this man. He is obviously a bully who is more than capable of recklessly endangering his own son. His attempt to undermine your own responsible parenting is typical of a man using contact to further abuse you, his X-partner, even though you are now separated. And if you are scared off him and worry about standing up to your him, how can you expect your DS to stand up to his father if his father gets him to do something else equally illegal or dangerous?

In your shoes I would be consulting SS and demanding supervised contact only for the forseeable future. When your son has been fatally injured it's a bit late. You are not the one in wrong here, you are absolutely in the right and you need to use that conviction to take control of the situation. Good luck.

Chundle · 20/01/2012 18:53

My cousin was nearly blinded by a pellet gun and I had to have pellet removed from my back as a child. Not nice!
Tell ex to get him a catapult or something and keep it at his house

Xales · 20/01/2012 19:00

I second all the police suggestions.

You ex has already proven that he is not supervising your son properly. That hit on the forehead could have been so much worse it is only luck that it wasn't.

RabidEchidna · 20/01/2012 19:05

Shock just Shock

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