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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think this is completely fucked up?

35 replies

malinois · 10/01/2012 09:01

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/09/texas-police-schools

No words...

(please don't let this become a US-bashing thread; a Texas-bashing thread would be justified though)

OP posts:
StealthPenguin · 10/01/2012 09:11

Oh dear God...

GypsyMoth · 10/01/2012 09:28

We already have security guards here in some uk schools.

MabelLucyAttwell · 10/01/2012 09:34

Well, if parents can't bring their own children up properly, someone else has to do it for them.

marblerye · 10/01/2012 09:35

Some UK schools have police too. My friend is a PO and part of her beat is the inside of the secondary school. There was a programme about secondary school applications in Birmingham about 2 years ago and one of the schools had a police station inside the school, a very small one.

GypsyMoth · 10/01/2012 10:01

It's definitely needed on some areas

Those who are shocked by this, do you own any teenagers?

SoupDragon · 10/01/2012 10:06

"Well, if parents can't bring their own children up properly, someone else has to do it for them"

Did you actually read the article? Did you read the bit about the girl who was being taunted/bullied because she "smelt" who got a ticket for spraying perfume on her neck?

Do you think that is in any way an acceptable thing to have happened?
Do you think that is due to poor parenting on the part of that girl's parents?

CurlyBoy · 10/01/2012 10:11

Keep in mind that Texas is one of the few states left in the US that uses capital punishment and has the highest number of "kills" a year, usually over 100. It's a pretty scary place. I'm sooooo glad I moved from the States (Chicago) 10 years ago to the UK. A pack of wild horses couldn't drag me back these days. Some of the draconian laws have passed recently are truly frightening.

GypsyMoth · 10/01/2012 10:11

I think the perfume incident is unlikely to have happened exactly as it was written in that article.

Alarmist reporting.

SoupDragon · 10/01/2012 10:14

Oh, so you're just going to believe the bits you want to and blame it all on bad parenting?

Even if you take it with a pinch of salt, the girl was being bullied yet seems to have been punished.

entropyglitter · 10/01/2012 10:14

Does anyone actually 'own' teenagers? Not got that far myself but would hesitate to say I 'owned' my 7 mo....

SoupDragon · 10/01/2012 10:15

Seriously, it's bloody stupid. Police in schools? If the staff can't discipline the pupils effectively without police intervention they should be sacked.

catgirl1976 · 10/01/2012 10:17

that is so fucked up i despair. but then it is texas and as curlyboy says, look at their capital punishment record. :(

tethersend · 10/01/2012 10:18

I worked in a UK school which had a full time police officer. It was a disaster.

Children were regularly pinned against walls with arms locked behind them and one was even sprayed with pepper spray by this officer. If a teacher had done this to a child, they would be rightly dismissed.

The school no longer has a police officer.

GypsyMoth · 10/01/2012 10:19

Entropy..... It's a term we use on the teenagers boards... Not to be taken literally you know..... With wens you need a sense of humour

Soup.... I think teachers would put you straight on that little gem!

waterlego6064 · 10/01/2012 10:29

SoupDragon Really? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Have you recently been inside an inner city Secondary school? In the UK or the US?

tethersend · 10/01/2012 10:33

As someone who has taught in inner London schools for ten years, I have seen nothing as damaging to student/teacher relationships as the presence of the police in school.

LizzieMo · 10/01/2012 13:32

I sympathise with teachers over bad behaviour but I can't get my head around this. A 12 year old boy with SN put in prison and is still there four years later because he could not obtain the educational requirements needed for his release because of his SN. WTF???? How wrong is that!!! A child being arrested because he accidentally lashed out as he was in pain from being sprayed with pepper gas??? This is a child at school, FFS. Way too far over the top. I hope it does not become more common over here.

KnottyLocks · 10/01/2012 13:40

The poilicemen are carrying guns...in a school.

Oh my good God.

KnottyLocks · 10/01/2012 13:40

Sheesh, can't even type I'm so shocked.

NinkyNonker · 10/01/2012 13:44

Yanbu, at all. And funny that those who 'own' teenagers seem to know so little about them.

RoughShooting · 10/01/2012 13:44

CurlyBoy - you might want to check your figures on the death penalty in Texas, it's pretty way out. And 34 states currently have the death penalty.

Death Penalty Info

entropyglitter · 10/01/2012 13:47

oh sorry olympia. As I said I have not got that far and never been in that part of MN and didnt know it was recognized short hand.

I am just over sensitive about the concept of child owning after a rather nasty piercing debate where people were giving it all the 'it's my child, Ill do what I want with their body', an attitude which I essentially couldnt agree less with.

ThisIsANickname · 10/01/2012 13:48

What I find weird is that the only people who have reported anything on this is the Guardian. Surely I should be able to find other sources in order to separate the biased reporting from actual fact in order to get a full understanding of the circumstances.

mrsjay · 10/01/2012 13:49

wow soupdragon really sacking teachers some of these kids have no control nobody can control them so these security gaurds are needed i dont think this is a new thing in some american schools , although i dont live innercity so i can comment but i do think some uk high schools have security ,

Hulababy · 10/01/2012 14:06

"SoupDragon Tue 10-Jan-12 10:15:31
Seriously, it's bloody stupid. Police in schools? If the staff can't discipline the pupils effectively without police intervention they should be sacked."

Actually, whilst I think the report is shocking and definitely OTT, I do disagree entirely with your comment soupdragon.

If a child commits an offence that is outside of the law then absolutely the police should be brought in. Just because the teacher is unable to prevent something happening does not mean they are a bad teacher!

At 7 months pregnant asked a 13y boy to get on with his work. I didn't shout, I wasn't nasty. It was a polite request. However, said boy, stood up, lifted his chair and hit my hard in my stomach with the chair. He then ran out of the classroom, smashing two door windows as he went.

Okay, I didn't call the police. But I did call for help from senior staff. The boy had actually committed criminal offences and, in some people's opinions, ought to have been dealt with more formally. As it was, as what oftne happens in schools, the matter was dealt with internally. The child was out of school for two days - officially for smashing the windows, not assaulting me. I got no apology and was expected to have the child in class again the next week.

IMO I did not behave wrongly. I was not being incompetent. There was no way I could react to this that would have stopped it occuring.

Teachers being verbally and physically assaulted at their work place, by their students - and sometimes by parents - is sadly not that uncommon in England.

This does not mean that these teachers are incompetent.

Why should a teacher be sacked for asking for reinforcement in their classroom?