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AIBU but what in God's name was Damien Rice thinking giving Cannonball to X Factor?

52 replies

flipflop77 · 12/12/2011 18:41

First time starting a thread, but very upset.....

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scater · 12/12/2011 21:52

As some others have said, damien rice has no choice about who records his songs once they have been released by him, as long as the above mentioned conditions are met. However, he will reap the royalties! I love dr but for me cannonball was overplayed when originally released and is already my least fave of his songs, all the others are acers of course.

scater · 12/12/2011 21:52

As some others have said, damien rice has no choice about who records his songs once they have been released by him, as long as the above mentioned conditions are met. However, he will reap the royalties! I love dr but for me cannonball was overplayed when originally released and is already my least fave of his songs, all the others are acers of course.

Forrestgump · 12/12/2011 23:07

I loathe the song! Both x factor versions were just woeful.

mayorquimby · 13/12/2011 01:41

I just don't understand the thinking of the choice on the part of the people in charge of x-factor (without even getting into the brilliance of the song in it's original version).
Like Hallelujah with Amanda Burke, Cannonball is for the most part a scaled back song which only really works if the person singing it can make you believe that they feel/believe the lyrics they're singing.
The X-factor is at it's heart a poppy showband style contest where the participants smile throughout and talk about how happy they are. Regardless of what you think about cover versions etc. the choice just doesn't make sense to me because the two seem to be at polar opposites of what they are trying to convey.

yellowraincoat · 13/12/2011 01:44

Not quite sure why people get so upset about songs being covered as if all indie-ish/rock-ish artists are pure at heart artisans who really MEEEAN it.

They're marketed too, yanno. Just at a different audience.

mayorquimby · 13/12/2011 02:05

oh no I accept that, which is why I wouldn't get into any sort of "you can't cover x/y/z song, that's sacrilege" because obviously the original artist wasn't turning down the cash when they signed their record deal.
I just can't understand the thinking behind choosing songs like Hallelujah or Cannonball for an x-factor winner. The whole thing is marketed as disposable happy pop and then they choose songs which need a sort of levity to work as songs.
Even with the cover this year they try to raise it a bit at the end to make it more poppy, and I can't help but think "well if you wanted a more poppy/suitable song, why didn't you choose a pop song"

ShengdanRoad · 13/12/2011 07:08

Why can't the X Factor winners sing original songs? Why does it always have to be lame covers?

Megatron · 13/12/2011 07:11

I don't really care if a song I like is covered. It doesn't ruin the version of a song that I like so hey ho. S'not his fault anyway, no permission is needed.

snuffaluffagus · 13/12/2011 07:53

Well what has he released yesterday? He wrote that album yearrrs ago, he'll be over the moon that it's still bringing home the bacon and good luck to him. You don't have to listen to it.

cheeseandmarmitesandwich · 13/12/2011 08:12

I was under the impression Gary Barlow was going to write the winner's song (maybe I dreamt it...) Shocking cover though, DH and I both cringed when the gospel choir came in, they've turned something beautiful into a cheese-fest!

cheeseandmarmitesandwich · 13/12/2011 08:12

I was under the impression Gary Barlow was going to write the winner's song (maybe I dreamt it...) Shocking cover though, DH and I both cringed when the gospel choir came in, they've turned something beautiful into a cheese-fest!

CupAndSorcery · 13/12/2011 08:22

Tis a dreary song - not 'little mix' at all - if i were them i'd be just as annoyed they'd given me that middle aged shit to sing.

aldiwhore · 13/12/2011 08:23

Even artists like making money. Its very niave to think otherwise. He still has intergrity as an artist, most artists sell their souls, that's their job.

You find me a well known musician who does it purely for the love and sells nothing, and I bet they're actually rubbish.

There is nothing wrong with selling your song for ££££, the original has been heard, and loved, and if you listen to Radio 1, done to death.... sell it to X factor, they'll do a shit version and soon enough people will want to hear the original again. Unless they're sniffy and devastated at the reality of music.

Its pop music. Its never been any deeper than that. It doesn't mean these artists are bad or shallow or untalented, they just do what they do. At least they dont' think that being a pop star automatically make them politicians, prophets or messiahs.

Damien Rice is a good artist, he's never said he was the new Bob Dylan, social commentary isn't his big selling point, he produces good pop songs and sells them.

CailinDana · 13/12/2011 08:57

I do think it's a very odd choice, it doesn't work at all. However, I cringe when people say ridiculous things like "I thought he was more of an artist than that" - what bloody rot! Damien still needs to buy loo roll like the rest of us.

thepeoplesprincess · 13/12/2011 09:53

I'm too busy sobbing over my copy of The Downward Spiral to care about Damien Rice.

HoHoOpotomus · 13/12/2011 09:55

Apparently you don't need permission to do a straight cover of a song. Its understood that royalties will be paid to the writer.

This is correct. Once a song has been released anyone can record/release a straight cover of it, though you may need permission from the writers if you do an adaptation.

mrsjay · 13/12/2011 10:03

one word royalties

I felt the same last year with matt cardles song i was very dissapointed in biffy how could they sell out like that , but i guess musicians are in the music industry to make money and sell records , I dont think integratory (sp) comes into it .

pinkdelight · 13/12/2011 10:14

"there are few things nowadays that i thought were above the whole money/fame/exposure thing and i maybe had attributed him with a certain integrity..."

I've given up thinking this since Iggy Pop started flogging insurance and some car manufacturer named their new hatchback the Hendrix. We are doomed.

cheeseandmarmitesandwich · 13/12/2011 10:27

Peoples princess- I'm just waiting for Leona's cover of Closer Grin

cheeseandmarmitesandwich · 13/12/2011 10:27

Peoples princess- I'm just waiting for Leona's cover of Closer Grin

snuffaluffagus · 13/12/2011 10:30

Janet was in the lead for the first few weeks, maybe they picked the song with her in mind, it would have suited her style better certainly.

FantasticVoyage · 13/12/2011 10:50

It's interesting how Damien Rice doesn't seem that precious about 'Cannonball' when he was unhappy about his record company taking the album track, remixing it with additional instruments and releasing it as a single.

HappySeven · 13/12/2011 11:22

I'm pretty sure he doesn't get a choice in the matter but it will probably not do him any harm anyway.

allcatsaregrey · 13/12/2011 11:27

artists don't always own the rights to their own songs. Which is why Michael Jackson ended up owning the Beatles back catalogue.

mayorquimby · 13/12/2011 12:26

Fantastic Voyage - I thought that ruined it as a song as well. Put a weird up-drum beat on it as far as I remember.