To think that these person/s deserve a death sentence? (Child abuse)

[EllenandBump]

A 4 week old baby boy who has been raped and beaten this baby boy not only suffered from rape, but from such severe beatings he has been left with all his ribs broken, a broken arm, broken collar bone, punctured lungs and severe bruising, he has even suffered a cardiac arrest at such a young age.

How can people do this to a child? If a person has a child they do not want they could always leave it at a hospital or in a police station, surely that would be humane? This is just sheer evil.

Quite Trois - no actual reportage on the case yet - just speculation & hysteria.

Still, good to see the mob is active & ready to go.

Agree with Trois. This thread is really unpleasant.

Against the tone of the thread I do actually agree with the death penalty, for some crimes. Although I appreciate the argument that anyone wrongly convicted could be executed for crimes they had not committed, Birmingham six, Guildford four etc.

However, I just don't see the point in keeping people, who have committed horrendous crimes, locked up for their entire lives at enormous expense to the taxpayer.

That said obviously as signatories to the ECHR it's a mute point.

I think there must be more to this case tbh, simply because they were released on bail.

I'm guessing there was more than one person in the house at the time.

this sounds like the DM arm of MN.

I don't agree with the death penalty, and also think that crimes like this committed against children are indefensible. So life imprisonment is the only way.

Gracie aside from any potential miscarriages of justice, because it does not act as a detterent, because societies that have the death penalty have higer levels of violent crime, because it debases us & makes us no better than the perpetrators, because it sends out a signal that the state sanctions murder, because people who commit crimes of the type we're discussing would commit them anyway.

And if you're looking at the purely financial angle - the money spent in lagal fees for appeals is generally more than it would cost to keep these people within the prison system for the rest of their lives.

That is why.

deterrent

If it turns out the couple on bail are guilty of these crimes then they will get the shit kicked out of them every day in prison.....a thought I find rather comforting.

& because it's fucking immoral.

no one can seriously agree with the death penalty? Imagine you were the victim of a miscarriage of justice where the penalty was death.

yes, Nancy but then you are a DM journo............full of the milk of human kindness........

Yes Nancy I always enjoy the comfort that people get from seeing a common all garden wife murderer kick the shit out of a child murderer.

It is comforting.

My heard doesn't tend to bleed much for child abusers and people who anally rape babies - strangely enough.

Hear hear spiderslegs, well said.

There is a whole gamut of statistics on murder.

75% or thererabouts are one-off crimes of passion, the offender will never offend again. that will include the extreme cases of an 80yo smothering his her/partner who is in the grips of altzheimers because the state has failed to provide support.

25% are the clinically insane - the care-in-the-community who actually have no care and cant manage to take their own drugs without support..... and we also have to factor in the Broadmoor high profiles like Ronnie Kray, Sutcliffe, Brady.

2-3% are actually dangerous and what mainstream society would deem knowingly, premeditated 'evil'

Who do you want to hang? - its actually very few.

Im no bleeding liberal heart - but often the state, the parents, society has failed. I do watch/read Death Row docus/bios and I do believe in rehabilitation where possible. But I also believe that where ther are psychological issues that that person should be kept from society and not given a 2nd chance.

Retrospectively, would Ruth Ellis have hung today? Of course she wouldnt. In the UK we only stopped hanging sub-16s in 1908. and sub 18's in 1933.

quite trois

Lulu 'But I do agree with the sentiment', & sentiment is exactly what the fuck it is, it's obviously abhorrent to hurt a child, but it's ok, even laudable for those who may have murdered an adult (possibly some one's mother or father - certainly someone's CHILD), to then go & beat of kill that person?

Because what? They then become some kind of avenger for truth & right? Because their brand of murder was 'clean'?

None of you actually know anything about this. Why not wait for the facts before getting het up.

Oh hello, grief wankers! Have a nice time competing with each other to be the most upset and come up with the worst things you could wish on the alleged perpetrators of an alleged crime about which you know sod all. And don't forget that you need about 50 (doing the ones with the little santa hat on is mandatory) per post. Especially to bracket any specifically juicy details of pain and suffering you can make up/dig up from Facebook BrainDonors R Us.

Exactly - none of you know the facts. I hate situations like this where parents are automatically blamed for something they may not have done. It is common practice to arrest both and release on bail, even if only one has committed the acts or even if it was another person altogether. Calling for more blood will do no good right now.

What happened to that baby, allegedly, is pure evil. However, these threads where people line up to talk about the repulsive things they would do and hope will be done to criminals are repulsive.

You are wishing death, pain and torture on human being, who haven't been tried or convicted. Human rights are human rights. They apply to everyone, rapists, murderers, child abusers and scum. Otherwise they aren't human rights.

Lock them up forever, if convicted. No parole. But treat them as humans. I don't want torture, pain and misery to be inflicted in my name.

Regardless of this case, if you would like to punish or kill criminals, then you are effectively saying what they did is acceptable if done for the right reasons. What i mean is if you have the death penalty for murder, then you are saying murder is ok if done for my reasons. All this does is justify the crime but disagrees with why the murder is committed.
Lock them up to protect the community but treat them well - descending to their level of behaviour cheapens us all