To think that pushchairs should have same priority as wheelchairs on buses?

[SparklyC]

Today - packed bus, I was in the pushchair bit on the bus, another mum got on with a buggy loaded with shopping. People sat in space that could have held another buggy in it didn't get up so both our pushchairs had to go in one space and my pushchair is one of those big all-terrain things! Then bus driver stopped bus for wheelchair user and asked us if either of us could fold down our pushchairs/move? Well, first of all, there wouldn't have been any room for us to sit down with our babies and also have our shopping on our knee or even stored on luggage shelf once pushchairs were on. Also the bus service I travel on has a bus every 4 minutes in the daytime. So the bus driver (who obviously has to be sen to be doing the right thing) got off the bus to tell the wheelchair user that the bus was full, and would he mind waiting for the next one, which he didn't anyway. What does everyone else think? Should we mums with our pushchairs be given the same priority as wheelchairs? Should bus drivers ask other passengers to move so that we can get on, instead of (sometimes) feeling like we are an annoyance and an obstacle to them?

Nota statistic,

What VALID reason (except for daft pushchair choice, which is not a valid reason, obviously) might there be for not being able to fold a pushchair?

I can only think of the case of a disabled carer with a baby in a pushchair, or where there is an older, too large to be lifted, child who is in a pushchair as a 'wheelchair equivalent' and so needs to be treated as a wheelchair user rather than a pushchair user.

Well not I suggest you buy a buggy that folds and some new glasses to reacd words this is a wheelchair space

Last time I checked babies not covered by disability law and did not spend years campaigning for right to use that space

Deven

See in cases like yours I would fully understand and happily wait but in cases of just pig ingnorant that's different

There is no reason not to fold if a wheelchair user needs the space.

If you can't fold. Get off the fucking bus.

Not

As you told me to get yourself a taxi then if you don't Like the buses

Ironic you get a car your going to need to fold your pram then

Iv'e just listed how a baby can need to remain in the pram more than someone who is capable of folding their buggy.

However at 2 year old you can apply for a blue badge which is for parking, although it can also be shown on a bus to prioritize a space. So I took my ds on the bus for a hospital app (he has a badge) the 2 buggy parents on the bus refused to fold theirs as he was clearly older and more capable. So I lifted him and put him on the bus floor (already late for app) where he could not move, walk or really sit. I went back out and folded his luxury all terrain buggy (disabled buggy) along with his bag, oxygen etc to find he'd fell over in the aisle with the whole bus in an uproar.

Why.......because I had no other choice.

From what I understand you do not pay for young children as they usually sit on your lap, I think most bus companies policy is that if a wheelchair space is free you may use that but if a person using a wheelchair needs it you must give it up for them, after all they have paid for their space, you have not, or do you expect your baby and travel system to travel for free at the expense of others.

Bit sad that that needs to be explained for some people.

see tell me if I'm wrong a disabled person get a free car anyway? learn to drive problem solved.

devient,

That is clearly
"an older, too large to be lifted, child who is in a pushchair as a 'wheelchair equivalent' and so needs to be treated as a wheelchair user rather than a pushchair user."

and so you have absolutely every right to use a wheelchair space and ask 'regular' pushchair users to fold theirs.

How horrible for you. I am really cross, as someone whose grandfather fought to get wheelchair spaces in trains (rather than being strapped to the wall of the guards van, wearing a nappy because there weren't any disabled access toilets), that ANYONE should begrudge a disabled child or adult their right to ONE (only ONE) space on a bus.

anyway we got a free car at 3 yo cos he couldn't walk...............but thats another bitter arguement!!

I have just spent over an hour reading this shite. (the pram-huns shite that is)

WHY can you not fold your buggy?
If it is too big, get a smaller one.
If its because you have handbag/changing bag/shopping bags etc then buy a fucking rucksack and stick it on your back.
Only get the shopping you can comfortably carry - a buggy is for your child, not your shopping!

The wheelchair spaces on busses should NEVER have been opened up to buggies in my opinion. If every parent who uses a buggy and busses knew they couldnt take their unfolded buggies on busses, it would avoid this whole debate.

Babies can be lifted and held on your lap in a SEAT. A wheelchair user doesnt have that option.

My husband isnt in a wheelchair, but does use crutches to get around. He would be the first one off a crowded bus to allow a wheelchair on, first one to stand up for a mother with small child, or elderly passenger..... despite the fact it would cause him immense discomfort and pain.

There really is a lack of common decency lately.... this country has gone to the dogs.

Oh lmao I wondered when the free car would come into it . Hello I would love to drive but since I have shoulder injury that's ruled out driving with my hands oh and is not a free car you lose your DlA £200 a month then still need petrol in it

Because Helen she told me to get. A taxi and far easier for her to get in a taxi than it is me

Do they fuck get a free car

Helen, you are very offensive.

My grandfather would have loved to learn to drive. Sadly, polio not only landed him in a wheelchair, it also meant that he was not physically able to drive...

Oh and my DLA goes on a powerchair that enables me to get around

Helen, a woman at my sons school would agree with you.

She is a massive twat.

ooooh now we get the fucking "free" car shite.

All the nobheads are out tonight

It's like a convention of the mean and clueless this evening.

and before anyone makes the comment.............yes I know my son is one of the disabled those 2 docs would kill off as soon as they realize his disability.............which was within a day after birth. It's also one of those disabilities you see in the abortion arguments. OMG, some people have not got a clue regardless of education!!

When I was heavilly pregnant with DS I borrowed a major buggy from SW as DD1 broke her leg aged nearly 3 still had to fold it and lift her if I could do it with her what's stopping someone with a baby.