To find Jimmy Carr's latest 'joke' really disgusting and pathetic

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Jimmy Carr has done it again. Nor content with making deeply disrespectful and horrid jokes about soldiers, he has now made a joke about children with Down's Syndrome and the Sunshine Variety coaches that do so much to help these kids and others too.

I used to like him but he goes too far. I really think that some things should not be joked about. Why do some people feel the need to tell
Jokes like that?

Yet, I am also aware of the fact that we can't censor jokes, but I wish some comedians actually set out to make us laugh with properly funny jokes rather than the nasty shit that Jimmy has been peddling again.

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Sorry, but that just seems daft.

You trust him.

Unless you know him personally, how can you trust him to mean that the way you think he does.

And again. He is making it socially acceptable to make jokes of this ilk, and those who do so are not clever satirists.

Actually, Fanjo, it was genuine. I am genuinely sorry that those things all exist, I know they do because I see them every day.

Obviously I am not expressing myself very clearly, but really, analysing someone else's humour to people who have not seen the whole act is actually not that easy.

well yes we are meant to think he's quite clever because he is quite adept at comedic misdirection which give his punchlines a certain power but we're also meant to think that he's a immoral evil sadist with absolutely no boundaries. And his contention is that if you are laughing along with this psycopath on stage joking about rape, racism, sexism and disablist jokes then you're the one who needs to re-evaluate your moral standing.
He's often said at shows I've seen him at that if you're laughing because you think what he's said is funny you need to examine why you think it's funny. If it's because you genuinely think it's funny then why does soceity tell you it's wrong to laugh at these things or if you've laughed but think what has been said is vile then do you really think it's vile or have you reacted naturally but then your social morality has kicked in and if so which one is right etc.

Anyway watching QI now - that is funny and satirical and so far I'm not offended...

Still think JC is massive knobber

I don't know him personally but what he has done over the years is develop an 'act' - it is an act - negotiated between him and the audience. He now incorporates more of the audience into his act and will do so again next year.

I trust him through what I have read. For example, he makes a lot of anti-vegetarian jokes (I am vegetarian). I take this in the context he tells them - his GF is vegetarian. He makes blonde jokes - his GF is blonde. The jokes are an homage to her, and quite sweet I think. That's why he sang Sweet Caroline - cos, guess what???

He plays on the fact that we live in a society whereby we do know these things, they are all over the press. It's about engagement, engaging with an audience. His book is very enlightening about comedy and boundaries. That's why he's Twitter king (after Stephen Fry of course).

He knows and we know. He knows we know. Sadly, there are people out there who don't know but they exist anyway. He is pretty cutting when people are out of order.

If you did have a child with LD - you might then understand the problem with this sort of joke. That was the point. Not that we're all so distraught - just that the problem becomes clear when you are the one having to defend your child from the utter twats out there. And it isn't a rare occurrence.

I have three children, 12 years of being a mother. I have had an idiotic comment about the 2 NT kids once in those 12 years. I have to bat back comments about ds1 repeatedly. I have no idea how many times - hundreds probably, week in week out. People like JC dictate what is acceptable and what isn't - this joke makes it acceptable. And JC must have his lines? The ones he won't overstep?

"The context of a rapid-fire delivery. Each line delivered upping the ante to achieve a sharp intake of breath. And maybe prompting thought on what is Too Much and Fuck Me, I Draw A Line At That."

That's always been my interpretation of him as well. can see why others differ though.
But further to your point I think another crucial element of reaching the "fuck me I draw a line at that.." moment is the issue of why has the line been drawn at that particualr joke? is it because it hit home? is it because it has gone against something you feel passionatey about? in which case does this mean you were happy to laugh at subjects which may have mocked other groups or pissed all over something dear to other members of the audience.

See MayorQuimby said in a paragraph what I have tried to say over 3 pages.

I see mayor - that's interesting. So if I don't find him funny then I'm all-clear on the psychopathic front? Phew.

A vegetarian can generally stand up for themselves. Can you really not see the difference between making the object of your joke a vegetarian or someone with LD's? JC making a joke about vegetarians isn't going to lead to people making oh so funny wise cracks at people who happen to walk into a Cranks restaurant .

Cheap and not funny. Not witty, not clever. Just what one would expect from Jimmy Carr

another good point. People with dementia stuck in nursing homes generally can't defend themselves, either

See, this is where we part ways.

I don't understand this pseudo-intellectual gebabble.

Oh, it is satire, but the silly working class don't understand him.

Only clever people get his jokes.

Wankery wankerdom.

The point about the vegetarian joke is to illustrate that what he appears to say is not necessarily what he is saying....

And being a vegetarian is a life choice that we generally make as adults (or at least teenagers)

Those with LD don't have a choice.

And if you bring up these things, then you have to expect others to comment on them.

Ah it's a class thing. Of course. Posh twat. Only followed by other posh twats who have no idea what it is like in the real world.

Yeah.

JC talks about the moral compass. That's not really all that intellectual. We should all, surely, be looking inside at what we think and believe, find amusing, what moral boundaries we keep within and which ones we cross. Aren't we? Or is that just intellectual pontificating?

I thought that's what the thread was about.

The Daily Show. Now that is what I call satire

Eh - well of course he's not saying what he's necessarily saying. That's comedy isn't it. I don't have a issue with double meanings from anyone, just with respecting who you choose to make the object of your joke.

As someone who lives with the practical fallout of this sort of thing. If vegetarians found their lives and ability to go about their day to day business affected by societies attitude towards them then maybe they'd pay more attention to how they were portrayed by comedians. Truth is they're not, so of course they don't care.

... but the audience is too thick to do so?

Beer JC did the same imo with the rape/football one (a really horrible joke but the way he dissected it was interesting). I think maybe he didn't trust the audience enough to supply their own punchline on that occasion.

nooooo. Lovely. And what I loved about that show was how he allowed people to hoist themselves by their own petards, and also how many regular guests were very clever, witty, and older women. - historians, political analysts etc