to think benefits should be capped at minimum wage

[moogster1a]

A little idea that all benefits should be capped at a weeks worth of minimum wage; so 37 and half hours times whatever minimum wage is now ( £6 pounds odd ).
That way no one gets paid more for sitting at home than they would for going out to work.
Out of this, all rent prescriptions etc. should be paid, the same as most people in low paid jobs have to pay for everything.
it might also provide an incentive to go out to work to up your wages if you progress in a company.
Just think it would be a lot fairer.

What about the million unemployed young people .will you put their JSA up from £53 a week?

Not all the unemployed have children or get HB Ctb etc

Some just get £53 a week

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I wish I had thought of t first!!!!

Whilst I do think that a cap on benefits is a good move, I don't think it should be set so low as this doesn't give the welfare system enough flexibility to deal with the problems it is designed to help alleviate.

bned you don't think it should be as low as the national minimum wage? How do you think that makes people on NMW feel? Slightly resentful I should imagine that they work all week yet that money wouldn't be enough for someone who stays at home

Since when does Germany have a 50% tax? Unless I'm so out of touch I'm missing something...

What about the young unemployed on JSA , do you want to put their benefits up?

usualsuspect for about the thid time on the thread " CAPPED" ie the maximum. Not necessarily that all get that amount.

can someone who knows and understands these things show me how people in work can be worse off than people on benefits?

For example, a lone parent with one child - what do they get in benefits when not working and what does minimum wage plus whatever top up benefits come to when they have a full time job?

you said 'A little idea that all benefits should be capped at a weeks worth of minimum wage; so 37 and half hours times whatever minimum wage is now'

so a young person on minimum wage would get £120 a week jsa

The full time minimum wage is about £13,500. I think I looked it up once although it is going up or just has to £6 or something an hour.

However if you earn that you might well get housing benefit too and if you've children you'd get tax credits. So people in work are getting benefits too (except not me but lower earning ones can be).

how is all this workfare stuff going to work then?

We get all the benefit scroungers to work for nothing or to earn their benefits which are very carefully calculated to be less than NMW.

So all the low paid jobs are given to people getting much less than the minimum wage.

So there are no jobs left for the non scroungers who are happy to take a job, any job..

So they become the long term unemployed scroungers and are added to the pile of cheap labour.

And so it goes.

Until our economy relies on people being out of work so they can do all the jobs we need done in order for our society to keep functioning.

How is that a Good Thing?

And arent the goverenment trying to abolish the NMW anyhow?

Benefits are capped though.

They are capped at the rate they are awarded.

Thats it MrsDeVere. Exactly the above. That's the plan. Clever, no?

err with respect to benefits being at minimum, yes they should be. I would like my carers allowance at minimum wage please considering I have had to give up paid employment, my health has suffered, I have to give 24 hour care. Yeh minimum wage would be great :o

btw forriners taking our jobs people:

I just rang an recruiter to find out why I never get the jobs (£7 quid an hour ones) I am applying for. He said it's because I currently work freelance (still will be, need extra money) which to employers is no better than being unemployed.
So, not forriners taking my jobs then.

Fucking genius.

Wish I'd have thought of it!

i think the highest earners should have their wages capped

I talked him into putting me up for this filing job though.
Have never been so happy to get the chance to do a filing job.
Things are really rough out there. I do hope none of you benefit scrounger bashers lose your jobs and have to find another one.

OhDoAdmitMrsDeVereWed - i think you have missed the point.

You will not give the already NMW jobs to JSA people, just get htem to do work within the community. I know lots of areas that needs a good tidying, graffeti scrubbed, leasure centres painted. All this could be done for free by people on JSA. Working for their benefits. At the same time learning new skills and confirdence, etc.

The idea is that once they have to work for the money then they will work harder for better positions, better paid work etc.

What really gets me is this assumption that people on JSA are all long term unemployed, no qualifications, socially inept shirkers.
Many many of them have recently been made redundant. But, yeah, lets get the 55 year old lady who has just lost her job at the NHS scrubbing graffitti. Give her some skills

CAPPED CAPPED CAPPED!!!!

And, er...confidence.

does anyone know how to work out the entitlement (to tax credits, help with housing benefit, mortgage relief, rent etc) of any given family on full time minimum wage income? Because I doubt it will come to less than that of someone on JSA or income support, but would like to see the figures.