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High drama with school and friend - who IBU and what to do about it?

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TheMoistWorldOfSeptimusQuench · 22/11/2011 12:39

Sorry this is so long, but I didn't want to drip feed. Thanks for reading if you manage to get to the end.

DD is in year 5. In year 2, a girl joined her class for a few months and they became very close friends. I also got on quite well with the parents, and to cut a long story short, the friend's dad (who is freelance and works from home) offered to pick up DD every Friday and look after her until I get home from work - about 7pm. By this time, DDs friend (I'm going to call her M) had started at another school, so this was a good way of keeping up contact between them. They are both only children.

Also an incredibly generous offer that has been enormously helpful and supportive for me, especially as a single parent. I've always made my appreciation very clear to both M's parents, and reciprocate by having her over a lot in the holidays, for sleepovers, or babysit for them when I can. I've also regularly checked with them that the arrangement is still working for them, and made it clear that if they need it to stop, I'm happy to try to make other arrangements. He has repeatedly assured me that it's fine, they love DD and it's good for M to be occupied with a friend so he can get on with things himself.

Anyhoo, a couple of weeks ago, we had an INSET day, and I forgot to tell M's dad about it. In my defence, my dad had just had a major stroke and I was very tied up in supporting my parents. After the event that I'm going to describe below, M's dad was very understanding of my forgetfulness and wasn't annoyed with me. He's always been very straight with me when I've pissed him off before - such as if I've been late etc - so I believe that he hasn't got the hump with me.

So he turned up at the school at the usual time with M and a friend of his who was visiting from Argentina. Both he and his friend work in the arts and take a lot of photographs - of everything. It's just what they like to do. Once they'd realised there were no children at school and I'd obviously forgotten to tell them, the friend got his camera out and started taking what I assume were arty shots of the fence, bits of school buildings etc.

At this point, the school receptionist ran over to them and started telling them that they were not allowed to take pictures of the school grounds and buildings. M's dad told her that it was no use having a go at his friend, as he doesn't speak English, and what is the problem with taking picutres anyway, if there are no children around?

I've heard his and her accounts of the story, but I'm not quite sure how the argument escalated, but it did. I don't have a problem with the receptionist, but she can come across as rather supercillious and has a tendency to put people's nose out of joint. He, on the other hand, can be very melodramatic - he speaks loudly, gesticulates, and slightly exagerates even when he's not annoyed, so I can imagine they were both winding each other up spectacularly.

So they carry on arguing, and then M's dad gets his iphone out and starts filming her! Now, I can completely understand how threatened the receptionist must have felt at this point, and it was obviously a very aggressive thing to do. He insists that he only started filming the exchange because he wanted to protect himself in case he was accused of something "by this crazy woman".

The upshot is that he is now banned from the school grounds, the police liason officer has been in touch (although they were apparently very reassuring and said he has nothing to worry about). He is adamant that he has done nothing wrong, and that the school should apoligise to him. I have repeatedly explained that although (IMO) they overreacted with regard to photographing school buildings (when there were demonstrably no children present), he clearly came across as very aggressive and it's fair enough for the school to ban someone who has been perceived as threatening.

I've also said that I'm not going to get involved with any dispute between him and school as I have my own batttles to fight with them (over DD's SN).

He now seems rather caught up in the drama of the situation, and has written to the Governors to "clear his name". He is also refusing to have DD until he has an apology from the school (which he's not going to get) because he thinks someone connected with the school is going to accuse him of "something even worse" Confused if he has her at the house.

Last week, I arranged for another friend to take her from school to their house (his wife was present that evening so it was deemed by them to be "safe"), but he's said he's not even comfortable with this, so I need to make other arrangments until it's sorted (which it isn't going to be to his satisfaction).

I always knew the arrangement would come to an end sometime, that's fine, but I guess I thought it would be over something like the girls falling out, of his routine changing. This all just seems a bit bonkers and a highly dramatic over reaction. Which also punishes the two girls as they won't see each other so much. He insists this is all the school's fault and I should take it up with them.

So, are we all being U? Is there a reason why members of the public are not allowed to take pictures of school buildings if there are no children present? And what do I say to DD to console her about the change in plan without being negative about everyone?

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WorraLiberty · 22/11/2011 12:46

Regardless of whether there is a legitimate reason for not being allowed to photograph the school....

He was rude to the lady doing her job

I assume he can communicate with his Argentinian friend? Therefore he was being plain awkward.

Filming anyone who has become irate is simply baiting them and making the matter much worse.

Personally, I would arrange other childcare as he sounds like a bit of a hot head and not someone I'd be particularly comfortable with going to the school for me in the future....if he ever is allowed again.

ColdToast · 22/11/2011 12:54

So the receptionist told them that they weren't allowed to take photos and the dad's response was to film her??

I can see her point of view tbh. She saw 2 men on the school grounds who shouldn't have been there. She didn't know one of them at all. I don't know if she recognised the dad from 3 years ago? Then the dad argues and raises his voice at her. It can't have been nice for her at all tbh and I don't blame the school for not wanting him back.

TheMoistWorldOfSeptimusQuench · 22/11/2011 12:55

Thanks Worra, we are in agreement.

I've already sorted out alternative arrangements 'til the end of term.

He is also Argentinian. He is hotheaded and has annoyed another friend of mine with his, er, direct approach. I've always liked him though - very interesting and quite eccentric. I hope we can all continue to be friends.

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WorraLiberty · 22/11/2011 12:56

Pheww well at least you can (hopefully) remain friends

Taking the childcare situation away, might help with that anyway.

mrsruffallo · 22/11/2011 12:58

He sounds like an arsehole.
It is a shame that the girls friendship may suffer, but I think you are better off finding alternative arrangements.

StaceymAloneForver · 22/11/2011 13:00

i would have wanted him banned from the premisis if i was the receptionist tbh, he sounds slightly scary.

Conundrumish · 22/11/2011 13:01

I understand they wouldn't want photos taken of the school by strangers. I imagine they are wary in case someone who is not allowed access to a child is planning to enter the school and is planning their approach.

Why was the daughter at the school for such a short time?

TheMoistWorldOfSeptimusQuench · 22/11/2011 13:04

Bloody hell, we all seem to be broadly in agreement - is this AIBU or wot? Grin

She was only at the school for about a term, as they'd moved from another area and had always planned for her to go to a different school nearer their house. They just had to wait for a place to come up.

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hackmum · 22/11/2011 13:05

It's not illegal to photograph school buildings. I suppose the receptionist must have been suspicious that they were doing something dodgy - taking photographs that they could then study before carrying out their nefarious deeds (breaking in and stealing stuff, kidnapping the children or whatever).

But there's nothing you can do about it. I guess you just have to stay well clear and accept that the arrangement has come to an end.

ChaoticAngel · 22/11/2011 13:07

So he's turned something that could have been resolved with a simple "I'm sorry, we didn't realise." into an overblown melodrama Confused

He's definitely BVU.

TheMoistWorldOfSeptimusQuench · 22/11/2011 13:08

Oh, and she would have recognised him, even from a distance - he is quite distinctive looking. She remembers him from when M was at the school, and every friday, he has collected DD from outside her office (as he would usually be about 5 minutes late due to having to get from M's school to ours).

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cjbartlett · 22/11/2011 13:16

he does sound a bit of an arse and overly hot headed
probably best the arrangment ended
you can always have M round yours

Proudnscary · 22/11/2011 13:23

Jesus H what a bloody saga!

I would tell your slightly mad friend that you understand his position but that it is your dd's school and you are already having issues over your ds's SN so it's just not something you feel ready to take on. You appreciate so much all he has done etc.

Then don't be drawn on it again.

OoohMrCoyne · 23/11/2011 10:18

What a palaver! I know you don't want to get involved in the crossfire, but have you explained your side of things to school? ie: he's not (that much of) a weirdo, just stoopid for thinking they could just go ahead and film. Schools (quite rightly) these days tend to err on the over-cautious side and filming/photographing in particular without permission is a MASSIVE No-No. Def don't think that school should have to apologise to him though (actually the other way round probably), but if you email/write they might contact him with a stock 'policy' explanation, which may help matters.
But I think you should just arrange regular times for M and DD to get together (preferably without the school run in the mix).
Oh: and find a nice friend locally to help you with the school run Wink

IloveJudgeJudy · 23/11/2011 11:17

Can't your DD meet him outside the school grounds if she's in Y5? That is, if you want the arrangement to continue?

spiderpig8 · 23/11/2011 12:59

I think the receptionist sounds like a nutter! If she wasn't doing anything she was ashamed of she shouldn't have minded him filming.And I completely get that he was filming the mad receptionist to protect his friend and himself.

spiderpig8 · 23/11/2011 13:01

..and a there in a professional capacity, the men weren't.I think they shoukld have an apology.

rhondajean · 23/11/2011 14:45

You know, its not illegal to take photos in a school. I can completely understand why he was so annoyed but he should really have written and complained to the school. The receptionist sounds like a right jobsworth and personally I think him filming her is HILARIOUS but unfortunately although I find it funny its been totally unhelpful hasnt it.

He is doing great at playing the victim too now. Ah the Latin temperament.

Surely it shows to some extent how either cowed or sheepish the great British public are that it takes an Argentinian to show us the stupidity of some of our non existent rules that idiots think they have to implement, eg not taking photos of empty buildings.

Its in case someone is planning an escape?????WTF!! proportionality please.

Worlds gone mad...

hope you get something sorted for your DD though, shame its happened.

MollyTheMole · 23/11/2011 15:14

ummm, I can actually see his POV. Even though he hasnt been accused of anything the insinuation was there. Filming her is a bit off but because nowadays a parent cant take a pic of their DC in a shopping centre without being accused of unsavouryness I can kind if see why he did it. I can also see why he doesnt want to look after your DD until its sorted. Some people will think there is no smoke without fire unfortunately and the rumour might just be "oooh did you hear X's Dad has been banned from the school yard for taking pictures?" christ I can hear the pitchforks being sharpened already.

Its a shame but this is how PC (PC's prob not the right phrase but I cant think of the right one) gone mad has made some people.

rhondajean · 23/11/2011 16:21

I always find it ironic people object to being filmed given that we all tolerate the CCTV cameras which are there every time we go anywhere...

And I bet the school probably has CCTV of its own!

TheMoistWorldOfSeptimusQuench · 23/11/2011 22:35

Thanks everyone Smile

Good point about it taking someone from another culture to highlight some of our dafter rules, but I still think he was out of order and has caused a whole world of trouble over something that could have been so easily resolved there and then.

Oh, and ooohMrCoyne - fortuitously, I have found just such a lovely local friend, who was prepared to step into the breach, and to whom I will be eternally grateful and will be plying with chocolate at the earliest opportunity Wink

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