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to think that the St Paul's protesters are becoming a bit smug?

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grovel · 17/11/2011 12:10

I've just heard one of their spokesmen saying that he and his fellow protesters "were turning a page of history" and that the general public "need to be taught about alternatives to our society by the protestors".
The best they can hope to achieve (and I would welcome it) is a contribution to a national debate about fairness. They cannot "teach us". They are not "responsible for turning a page of history". They need to be careful.

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hiddenhome · 17/11/2011 12:14

They're not gonna teach anybody anything. The public are too concerned with finding the next penny, what to buy for Christmas and X-Factor. We have no appetite for serious change in this country even if it's needed.

eurochick · 17/11/2011 12:14

This appeared on the Guardian website earlier in the week, apparently posted by one of the Occupy LSX lot. Based on this, I would say they are not so much smug as deranged.

'commonly known as dom', law: 'The prison without bars is made by bits of paper'
When the occupation started, I happened to be nearby. I was attending a "lawful rebellion" meeting in Hackney, and I realised the time was right, it was happening, I had to be there.
Most days I walk around the site teaching people about the legal system, about the law, about how they're being enslaved by a body of rules and statutory instruments. The prison without bars is made by bits of paper.
Bits of paper like your birth certificate. All registered names are Crown copyright. The legal definition of registration is transfer of title ownership, so anything that's registered is handed over to the governing body; the thing itself is no longer yours. When you register a car, you're agreeing to it not being yours ? they send you back a form saying you're the "registered keeper". It's a con. That's why I say I've never had a name.
We are all taught to be a name, the name on our birth certificate. But if you don't consent to be that "person", you step outside the system. According to the law books, a "natural person" (or human being) is distinct from the "person" as a legal entity. All the statutes and acts are acting up on the "person", and if you're admitting to being a person, you are admitting to be a corporation that can be acted upon for commerce.
I might be a danger to corporate control of humanity, but what's the worst they're going to do? Lock me up? The last place they want me to be teaching is in prison. I've been in jail: I talk to the inmates, I talk to the screws. I take every opportunity to speak to the police, to educate them. Don't forget, the police are part of the solution. I'll talk to anyone: laymen, lawyers, magistrates, judges.
I say to people: educate yourself. Google "lawful rebellion". Google "freeman on the land". Google the difference between "legal" and "lawful". Understand the rules that are keeping you enslaved.

Whatmeworry · 17/11/2011 12:23

The big points they are making are valid IMO, and its interesting watching how the "Forces of the Patriarchy" are handling this - part of it is trying to confuse the message, paint them as ridiculous etc etc.

willisortuout · 17/11/2011 12:31

lets see how many of them are signing on bleeding the rest of us dry.

grovel · 17/11/2011 12:37

Whatmeworry, I generally agree with you. Hence my OP. My concern is that the articulate protesters (who are very articulate) seem in danger of becoming pleased with themselves on the back of their exposure in the media. Having walked through the camp I can confirm that there are also plenty of loons to give "The Patriarchy" ammunition.

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Andrewofgg · 17/11/2011 12:54

They always were smug!

Sevenfold · 17/11/2011 12:55

yanbu
most people haven't a clue what they are protesting about and even if they do, I doubt the give it much thought.

grovel · 17/11/2011 12:59

But Sevenfold, they are trying to save you from your ignorance! Smile

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