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To think that Nadine Dorries should be removed from polite society?

33 replies

HedleyLamarr · 16/11/2011 22:38

Just saying no is the best sex education because it might stop child sex abuse. Why is this woman even allowed out unsupervised, let alone be an MP?

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squeakytoy · 17/11/2011 12:26

I agree, it should be both sexes that are given the advice. But the proposal itself is a good one in my opinion, just apply it to boys and girls.

WoTmania · 17/11/2011 12:31

YANBU -
'there might be an impact on sex abuse, because a lot of girls, when sex abuse takes place, don't realise until later that was a wrong thing to do ?' This in particular. I mean, WTF? If girls say 'no' to their abuser said abuser will jsut go away? It's victim blaming crap.

SardineQueen · 17/11/2011 12:46

squeaky the entire quibble that people have with her proposal is that it is just for girls.

If she had proposed it for boys and girls there would be no problem with the proposal.

The comments about girls learning to say no lessening sex abuse are out of line whichever way you cut it. Also note it's girls again - doesn't she realise that boys are sexually abused too?

Her ideas about sexuality basically are out of date and out of line.

LulaBear · 17/11/2011 16:36

'there might be an impact on sex abuse, because a lot of girls, when sex abuse takes place, don't realise until later that was a wrong thing to do ?'
Unfortunately I think there is some truth to that, particularly when underage teenage girls get abused. Like in those recent cases with those gangs.
SardineQueen I see that now Blush

SolidGoldVampireBat · 17/11/2011 16:44

Lulabear: I would certainly like to see the wretched woman removed from her seat as an MP in the same way that I would like to see many other MPs with various repellent and unhinged views (that most of them either kept a lid on till they were elected, or they stood for election against people whose views were even worse...). I don't think people should be executed or locked up for minority views, just that when their views are so harmful they shouldn't be allowed to abuse their powers.

HedleyLamarr · 17/11/2011 18:37

To those of you who wondered whether I meant the OP as "kill Dorries", well, no I didn't. A pacifist doesn't do that. He makes jokes instead. I find her and her outdated views about women disturbing.

Here's an interesting snippet from Zoe Margolis' article:-

"In addition Dorries is basing her bill on the premise that teaching abstinence stops teenagers becoming pregnant. In the US, where abstinence-only health programmes blossomed in pre-Obama years, the rate of teen pregnancy is still the highest in the developed world. In contrast, a thorough sex education, based on scientific evidence and a lack of moralising, has a proven positive effect in this area: teen pregnancy rates in the UK are at their lowest since the early 1980s ? not that you'd know it in some corners of the press."

This is one of the many reasons why she is not fit to tell us how we teach our chidren.

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Andrewofgg · 17/11/2011 19:20

It's up to her local party and constituents - but I would rather boil my gonads in oil than vote for her. And mine are the external sort!

As others have said the focus of rape education has to be on my gender, to get through the message that No . . . well, I don't have to repeat it here of all places. But educating girls not to pressure other girls into saying Yes just because they did would not come amiss either. Yes means Yes, even if the woman saying it only does so because all the other girls in the class have said Yes - or say they have.

KouklaMoo · 17/11/2011 19:21

I can't stand her. Her abortion bill was a joke, an ill-thought out waste of parliament's time. She was unprofessional at best, disingenuous at worst. This is her Abstinence Bill:

I agree absolutely with Chris Bryant's points on the subject.

This is funny though:

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