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To think that Debenham's policy has the potential to discriminate against the disabled?

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Arachnophobic · 31/10/2011 21:58

Went to order online, the site didn't like my discount code so had to ring Angry.

I have two gift cards, with 25 quid on between them. Transaction totals in excess of 40 quid. First she says you can't use both, you can only use one. System doesn't allow otherwise. She says please pay the remainder with a debit card, as your one gift card doesn't cover it. So I fish my card out. Then she says actually I have just realised you can't do that either, and if you can't pay the total amount using one gift card you have to go to the store.

Ask for a manager, she says no one around, complain by email. I say "no thank you, I'll wait". Within two minutes uncaring arrogant manager comes on and basically refutes my argument (below) saying that gift cards are a convenience thing, in other words Debenhams are doing us a favour.

My point is (and this doesn't apply to me btw) that those who are disabled or otherwise housebound and unable to get to the store are effectively penalised as a result of this policy, and it is entirely out of keeping with recent Equality legislation.

Picture the scenario FFS - disabled person, no one to rely upon, receives gift cards from distant relatives by post. Wants to place an order and effectively can't order what they want because "the system doesn't allow it". No way of getting to the store.

Do other large retail organisations operate like this? I thought this was the 21st century Confused

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MenopausalHaze · 31/10/2011 22:01

It may be a shitty bit of company policy but actual intentional discrimination against the disabled? Good God - do you really really think so?

Arachnophobic · 31/10/2011 22:03

No of course not intentional at all, but surprised that a large organisation like that no doubt with a massive team of lawyers haven't considered the potential effect of it.

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worraliberty · 31/10/2011 22:03

No I'm sorry I still can't make a link between their card system and the disabled

altinkum · 31/10/2011 22:04

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SoupDragon · 31/10/2011 22:04

Yes, it's a daft policy but hardly discrimination.

MsHighwater · 31/10/2011 22:05

YANBU.

zeno · 31/10/2011 22:08

It seems like you're scrabbling around for a more legitimate reason to get huffy with them. Yanbu to be pissed off with them for being awkward about it, yabu to roll out the poor helpless disabled as your grand cause for huffiness.

MenopausalHaze · 31/10/2011 22:08

Exactly so zeno

Jackstini · 31/10/2011 22:09

Yes, policy has got potential to discriminate, not specifically against the disabled but against anyone who can't get to a store.
Ridiculous you can't use both cards if you are spending more than your total in 'vouchers'.
Would call head office first thing tomorrow.

CoffeeBucks · 31/10/2011 22:09

MenopausalHaze something doesn't have to be intentional for it to be discriminatory. I agree with the OP, if this is an actual policy & not dealing with a couple of idiot staff over the phone, then it does make things difficult for anyone who can't get in to the actual store.

yanbu.

Arachnophobic · 31/10/2011 22:09

altinkum of course the policy applies to everybody, but the point is that not everybody is affected by it in the same way.

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SoupDragon · 31/10/2011 22:09

Their website does explicitly state in the he,section that they can only accept one payment method at present.

rycooler · 31/10/2011 22:10

How did disabled people manage before the Internet?

Serenitysutton · 31/10/2011 22:10

In that CAse I'd expect the person in question to take it up with the person they rec'd the gift from; it's bad form to blame the shop for a poor choice of present; I didn't realise any high st retailers allowed you to use gift cards on line/ by phone. You should pop in to get the money put on one card though

Arachnophobic · 31/10/2011 22:11

Zeno can't blame you for thinking that, but I am genuinely shocked that a large organisation hasn't considered the implications of their policy.

I am not talking the local corner shop here.

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Kayano · 31/10/2011 22:11

But... Disabled people can get into the store? Yes it's a pain in the arse policy but it affects everyone? I understand the thought but I think it's just stupid policy all round rather than stupid policy for disabled people iyswim?

Maryz · 31/10/2011 22:16

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squeakyfreakytoy · 31/10/2011 22:17

If you had gift vouchers, you would have to physically take them into the store.... or send someone else to the store for you.

YABU

SoupDragon · 31/10/2011 22:18

If "The Disabled" can't get to a real store, why do we need so many disabled parking spots taking up valuable P & C space??

Kayano · 31/10/2011 22:19

Soup! oh no you didn't!

SoupDragon · 31/10/2011 22:19

Maryz, you'd have to go to a store with your £5 gift card and some other form of payment.

GuillotinedMaryLacey · 31/10/2011 22:21

I have never known a store that won't accept the balance by cash or card. To limit it to gift cards only is very stupid.

SoupDragon · 31/10/2011 22:21

It's Halloween, I'm allowed to be evil.
[cackle]

thefirstMrsDeVeerie · 31/10/2011 22:22

Argos do something similar. You cant pay with their stupid gift vouchers on line.

How did disabled people cope before the internet?
They may have shopped locally because there were more local shops before the introduction of superstores based on retail parks.
Their choices were severly limited
They had to depend on others to do their shopping
They had to pay other people to do things for them
They went without
They lived in institutions so it wasnt really an issue, they didnt own anything anyway.

Did you really need someone to answer that question?

Of course anything that necessitates a trip to a store disciminates because it is generally harder for people with certain disabliites to travel. It might be a pain in the arse for everyone but being a pita is not the same as being impossible.

Maryz · 31/10/2011 22:23

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