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...to not want to be friends with this woman, and to ignore her calls and emails? (take 2)

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eslteacher · 15/10/2011 18:46

I'm a language teacher, and spend most of my days having one-to-one conversation-based lessons with adults. In the vast majority of my lessons, the atmosphere is a friendly one - since I have to encourage conversation, naturally my students talk about their lives and I end up telling them a little bit about mine too. That said, with 99% of students our friendly relationship starts and ends in the classroom - I never see them outside our lessons. Everyone understands the boundaries.

However, there's one lady who I've been teaching once a week for over a year. She seems to be able to draw no line between our friendly classroom relationship and our "outside" lives. From the start she has been inviting me to do stuff with her outside the lessons. I have always made excuses, but remained friendly in the lessons because I have to keep teaching her and if I were to just say outright "I don't want to be your friend outside these lessons" I think she'd take it very personally and it would be horribly awkward.

Another reason I am reluctant to spell this out to her is that she has had a very hard life, particularly recently - illness, deaths of people close to her - plus some really horrible stuff further back in her past. She has talked very openly about all these things in our lessons, cried on occasion, and of course I've felt compelled to listen, give sympathy etc. I have never invited her to talk about these things, but she does nonetheless, and when she's literally sat there crying next to me, I have felt that saying "I'm sorry it's a bit inappropriate for us to be discussing this" would just be impossible for me to say.

At one point she told me she was organising a big party. And of course, she wanted me to go. Since she invited me to this party over half a year before it was actually due to happen, I couldn't exactly say "sorry I have plans for that day" so just made vague "that sounds nice" noises, thinking that I'd get out of it closer to the time. But she would literally remind me every week, saying how much she wanted me to go, how disappointed she would be if I didn't. In the end, I thought it would be easier to go than not go and then face the fallout in our lessons afterwards. So I just made a brief cameo appearance (with excuses why I couldn't stay for the full party), which she seemed satisfied with.

Anyway, finally we have come to the end of our lessons together. In fact she wanted to rebook, but my company have made an excuse on my behalf (as they know I was starting to find her difficult to deal with) and told her they are obliged to send her a different teacher from hereonout. She immediately contacted me and left a very very long message saying how disappointed she was and how she hoped it wasn't at my request that they're sending someone else, and how she wants us to still be friends and to meet up soon etc etc. She has also since friend-requested me on a social network, but I haven't responded.

I feel very uncomfortable and am not sure how to proceed. On the one hand I really don't want to foster a friendship with this woman, but on the other hand I'd feel like a heartless bitch if I just ignored her calls and emails (of which I feel certain there will be more). The other option would just be to phone or email her and tell her "I don't want to be friends with you" but I think this would hut her enormously and TBH I'm too much of a chicken to say it.

So what should I do? How should I proceed? Am I being a bitch for having made her think I am her friend and then just blanking her? Or is she being the unreasonable one for not having realised by this point that I don't want to see her when I'm not being paid for it? I feel bad because she is quite a vulnerable person, although seemingly not without other friends and family.

(I posted this earlier but it was pointed out with a little too much identifying detail, so previous thread has been deleted and I've tried to include less detail here. Thank you to those who replied previously - I found the mix of opinions has already given me a lot to think about)

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ameliagrey · 15/10/2011 21:15

I've just re-read and you said you "never invited her totalk about these things".

Yes, but...neither did you stop her. You were, by being an active listener, giving her the message that it was acceptable.

You could have been brusque. Told her you had to dash, or gently told her that she was giving too much detail, or steered the conversation onto other topics.

I think TBH that this is a learning curve for you- not to allow students to get too close to you on their terms.

I do't want to sound unkind but you really only have yourelf to blame for not "handling her" in a different manner.

RainboweBrite · 15/10/2011 21:33

I agree with Combine Arvester. Tough situation for both you and your former student.

MissMap · 16/10/2011 14:55

I think some of the replies you have had have been most unsympathetic, to you, and have misunderstood your position.

You appear to me to have been professional and kindly in your approach to this student.

Perhaps you should not have attended her party.

Explain that the relationship between you has been purely professional and as you have many commitments in your personal life you are not able to continue any form of relationship with her.

Keep it brief, she will be upset, but she will move on to someone else. This probably wont be the first time that she has experienced a brush off.

I hope the situation resolves soon.

Solo2 · 16/10/2011 15:06

OP, tell her gently that your organisation forbids social relationships with clients, just as a GP couldn't and shouldn't be 'friends' with a patient or a lecturer shouldn'#t have a relationship with a student etc.

Can you find the name of a good local counsellor, preferably with the client's language as their own first language and give her the contact details and say you've thought about what a rough time she's had and, especially as you yourself are completely unable to maintain any further contact with her (and in fact have stepped over the mark already in doing so), you really wanted to help her find further support for herself.

But tell her firmly that whilst it's nothing at all personal to her, you really aren't 'allowed' to maintain a social connection with a student and your job and career could be in jeopardy. If you put it that way, you leave her feeling that you remain having positive thoughts towards her but that it's just a 'given' that you cna never ever be friends with her or any other student.

pigletmania · 16/10/2011 17:46

Its like any other profession where you have to get close to people e.g Nursing, Counselling, Pschology etc, you have to draw a professional line, and explain it to her. Just tell her that it would not be professional to be her friend outside and that you would rather leave it at that.

pigletmania · 16/10/2011 17:54

I agree you did give her rather mixed messages, you should have said that talking about this in lectures was not the best place, and recommend her to various counselling organisations or GP for help. She was vulnerable and saw your interest and sympathy as something more. I would ignore her FB request, and delete her number.

edam · 16/10/2011 18:01

Agree with piglet, ignore FB request and delete her number. You could contact her to explain that the College don't allow friendships between staff and students, but it's a bit late for that really.

She may be needy, but she's not your responsibility. I've had experience of people like this when I was younger (and hadn't wised up to them) and you really do have to cut them off. Anything else just encourages them.

Bet you £5 she made up some of the things she told you about the awful experiences she's had.

eslteacher · 16/10/2011 18:06

Quite a few posters have said that I should have changed the subject when things started to get personal, or steered things onto a different track. Believe me, I tried to do this. But she is deaf to such attempts, just like she is deaf to excuses as to why I can't go round to her house for dinner or whatever. She doesn't let things drop like other people do. When you try to change the subject, but she keeps right on talking about what she was talking about before, and then starts to cry - gah, it's really difficult not to be nice to someone when they're sitting next to you crying. I think the only way to have an effect would have been to completely change my demeanour to a very cool, icy professional one and tell her that she was being inappropriate and literally cut her off if she started to speak about that stuff. I mean, that's what I would do if I was teaching someone who was being rude/ agressive/ flirtatious or something. It's just a lot more difficult to flick the switch like that with someone who's essentially nice, friendly and in pain.

Allboxedin - yes, I teach for a private language school. And you're absolutely right, some people just want to learn/improve their English, but others really just want a weekly break from work / a chat / a bit of unofficial counselling. And as you say, theres definitely pressure from the company to "give clients what they want" - in fact, this if anything is the ethos of most private language schools, not "make sure they learn the language effectively!". So I'm used to letting chatty students chat away if that's what they want to do, and are resistant to doing written exercises or whatever. Similarly if there are students who don't like to talk in their lessons, I'll keep everything very exercise-based. It's never caused any problems before, until this particular student came along...

ameliagrey - yes, I definitely agree that I have given mixed messages insofar as I made an appearance at her party, and I have listened to her and been generically sympathetic. On the other hand, I have also repeatedly declined invitations to do stuff with her, sometimes in the face of her literally arguing for ages against my reasons and trying to persuade me that I can find a way around them. To most people, I'd be giving a pretty clear message - but to her, apparently not.

Also it's just not possible for me to say "I have to dash" in the middle of a lesson I've been paid to give her. And as I said, gentle hints do not have any effect on her.

MissMap and Solo2 - thanks for the kind words. As I mentioned, if I tell her that the relationship between us has to end because I can't see students outside class, she just wouldn't accept it. She's deaf to stuff like that. She'd immediately say "oh, it doesn't matter, I won't tell your boss" or turn it on me and say "you're just saying that because you don't want to be friends with me". So it would come back to the same problem.

I think I'm going to send her an email saying that I'm sorry I won't be able to teach her any more, but I hope she enjoys her lessons with the new teacher, and wish her all the best for the future. And leave it at that. If she responds with an invitation to do something, I will say that I don't have any free time to meet up in the foreseeable future. If she gets back in contact later, I'll have to resort to brutally honest "I'm sorry but we can't be friends" or just ignore.

Will look into counselling things, but have a feeling she'll just use the new teacher as a counsellor instead!

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pigletmania · 16/10/2011 18:08

She sounds like a handful. I would ignore her calls, texts, or change your number. Decline her FB request.

YummyHoney · 16/10/2011 18:36

I would be worried if I were you. She sounds like a bunny-boiler.

I think you should have nipped it in the bud a long time ago, but as you didn't, I think you should now tell her, in no uncertain terms, that, as far as you're concerned, you only ever wanted a teacher/pupil relationship and feel that she wants more, therefore you have asked not to teach her anymore.

And hope she can accept that.

I do think you have to take responsibility for allowing this to get so out of hand to the point that this woman has now become fixated with you.

YummyHoney · 16/10/2011 18:39

Also, if you send her that e-mail you are, again, misleading her into thinking that it's out of your hands that you won't be teaching her anymore.

Allboxedin · 16/10/2011 18:48

Sounds as though she can't take a hint and she sounds a bit manipulative if you ask me. Maybe because she is paying for the lessons she thinks she can get what she wants and get away with it. Good luck!

KCEHNR · 16/10/2011 18:53

Just cut her off. No responses. Nothing. She is being very controlling. She took advantage of your time together in class, while you were essentially captive, to treat you as some kind of confidante and now has you backed into a corner of some kind of relationship/friendship. Well she doesn't get to decide if you will be friends. You do.

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