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AIBU?

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to think that the word DP was looking for was "sorry", rather than "okay"?

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TandB · 12/10/2011 21:41

I am seeking MN's confirmation that I am not being unreasonable in advance of DP getting home and adopting his usual approach of implying that I am being spectacularly unreasonable and demanding.

DP is not a bit drinker and, to be fair, doesn't go out all that often for purely social reasons. However, at this time of year he does tend to have work drinks/meals at least once a week. On the rare occasions that he does have a reasonable amount to drink he seems to lose the ability to communicate/keep to an arrangement and if I get the hump about it he acts all outraged and indignant as though I am some high-maintenance, domineering hussy. I should say that I have never, ever whinged about him going out or rung demanding that he come home at a certain time, so he really doesn't have much to complain about on that front.

So today he was out all day on a work jolly which was supposed to finish in the afternoon - he was quite clear that he wouldn't be late home and would probably be back before DS and I. DS (2) is fairly dad-obsessed at the moment so I always try to make sure he knows on the way home whether or not DP will be home in time to see him before bed, otherwise we have massive amounts of whinging and "where's my daddy gone?"-ing. Today I had no reason to think DP wouldn't be home so I kept saying 'he'll be back soon'.

DP then rang at about 7.15 (DS usually goes to bed between about 7.30 and 8) to say it had gone on later than expected but he was on his way home. He gave me a very detailed itinerary of his journey and said he would be home about 8.30 so if I kept DS up a little bit late he could still see him briefly before bed. DS was pretty perky so I said this was fine and started an evening of intensive entertaining. DS started getting silly but I stupidly kept thinking DP would be home in a few minutes and it wouldn't be fair to suddenly tell DS he couldn't wait up for his dad after all. 8.30 came and went and DS went into full-on rampage mode. I assumed DP was just a few minutes late. 8.45 came and I decided enough was enough - I couldn't get through to DP and was just about to put DS to bed when I got an urgent call from a colleague. By the time I had finished dealing with that (while following DS around trying to stop him climbing the walls) it was nearly 9.

I rang DP and asked how far away he was because DS really needed to go to bed. He gave me a very convoluted story of trains and lifts to stations that was clearly designed to make me think that he was the victim of circumstances but when I got to the bottom of it, it turned out that he had gone for a drink with a colleague about half-way through the journey and was still about 45 minutes away. They had also got food - I hadn't eaten as I was expecting him home for dinner. When I pointed out that this was information that I could have done with as I could have then put DS to bed at an almost-reasonable time rather than keeping him hanging on in expectation of seeing his dad, all I got was "okay" in response to everything I said. I could almost hear the eye-rolling going on at the other end of the phone.

Now he will come home and be all offended that I could even suggest he has been remotely unreasonable, and it will somehow be presented as me being demanding.

So am I demanding? Or is it entirely reasonable to expect that if someone suggests keeping a 2 year-old up late to see them, they will then phone and retract that suggestion if their train is delayed or if they accidentally fall into a pub and have beer forcibly poured down their throat?

If I had put DS to bed at a normal time I could actually have had a perfectly pleasant evening with a decent meal and a couple of hours to myself to MN get things done. Instead I have had an evening with a rampaging and over-excited toddler, followed by a hasty beans on toast because I was too hungry to cook anything.

I should warn you that I am utterly convinced of my reasonableness and will probably strop and flounce if the MN jury disagrees. Grin

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fluffythevampirestabber · 12/10/2011 22:09

YANBU

I would be fuming.

And like Chipping I have been. And he is the Ex.

But it's a waste of time to talk to him if he's drunk. Just kill him tomorrow.

Grin
seeker · 12/10/2011 22:22

Oh for goodness sake, he had a couple of pints. You said yourself he practically never does. Climb off your high horse onto the moral high ground, be all sweetness and light and you've got one in the bank for the next time you want a night out!

seeker · 12/10/2011 22:23
TandB · 12/10/2011 22:24

I am going to kill him. Seriously.

He is not even particularly drunk - slightly tipsy at best. And he has now moved into Plan C which involves talking to me like I am entirely unhinged and need placating - terribly reasonable, slightly hushed voice and comments like "I have taken on board what you are saying and am sorry", accompanied by expression and body language that is actually saying "you are MAD, woman, MAD but I shall humour you because that is how reasonable I am".

And the infuriating thing is that it works. I can hear my voice getting slightly high-pitched and I start repeating myself and filling silences with sentences beginning with "But that's not the point...."

And the more high-pitched I get, the more calm and reasonable he gets.

Aaaaaargh!

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TandB · 12/10/2011 22:25

[reads Seeker's post too late]

Moral high ground firmly vacated and currently occupied by DP's highly indignant backside.

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TandB · 12/10/2011 22:26

Bollocks to it. Am going to pour double cream on arctic role and eat it.

That'll show him.

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Hassled · 12/10/2011 22:26

Nooo - Seeker, you're being way too rational soft. The pints aren't the issue. The pints are fine. The deliberate vagueness/web of deceit/blinding her with travel itineries in a bid to avoid the crapness being obvious are (is?) the point. Not to mention the poor toddler bouncing off the walls.

Hassled · 12/10/2011 22:29

Why can't people just say "I was crap and I'm really sorry"? Makes life so much easier.

Having said that, when DH did actually say that once I said "well sorry's not good enough" Blush.

FlubbaBubba · 12/10/2011 22:32

You should try the whole (and very over-dramatic) "you let your son down" tack. He shall have no high ground with that. No siree.

ChippingIn · 12/10/2011 22:32

You have arctic roll and double cream in the bathroom??

Your cat should have spat it out on the front door mat.

Tell DH to STFU if he doesn't want to be smothered in his sleep!

WineAndPizza · 12/10/2011 22:37

Argh, this would make me crazy with rage. I know exactly what you mean by his plans a), b) and c) and plan c) the 'ok, i'll humour you, mad lady, by pretending to take responsibility for all these wild accusations you're throwing at me for absolutely no reason' is by FAR the most irritating. Because it works. It drives me absolutely bloody mad to the point of screaming and throwing things. And then he's correct, I am crazy lady. Point proven.

I am extremely jealous of your arctic roll. I feel the double cream is perhaps a step too far.

TandB · 12/10/2011 22:37

I am no longer in the bathroom. DP came into the bathroom to continue his attempt at "everything is fine, what could possibly be wrong?" so I commenced ranting and vacated the bathroom.

We briefly crossed paths in the hallway when he gave me a wounded look and I sighed and shook my head in a disappointed fashion before flouncing to the kitchen, but unfortunately could not sustain the huffy silence and headed him off in the bedroom to explain just how unreasonable he had been. I then made a couple of abortive attempts to re-flounce to the living room but had to go back for a couple of remarks I had forgotten and to hiss "What did you just say?" at some muttered comment I clearly wasn't supposed to hear.

I then waved my arms and ranted a bit more before returning to the kitchen and eating arctic roll.

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WineAndPizza · 12/10/2011 22:40

Haha - you MUST get them to repeat muttering, it always proves valuable. And then you can give them a knowing look and say 'that's what I thought you said - and re-flounce

ChippingIn · 12/10/2011 22:41

I feel the double cream is perhaps a step too far Hmm Wine & Pizza - you don't have a leg to stand on!! Grin

LOL - you were doing so well with the 'sigh and head shake'.... PMSL @ going back for a couple of remarks you'd forgotten Grin

It is such a shame that DS is just a little bit too young to bribe into crying and telling him how upset he was last night that he didn't come home when he said he would!!

ToothbrushThief · 12/10/2011 22:43

If the situation was reversed and you'd done this..... how would he feel.

I'd be really unimpressed first time (and not about the drink after work but about the misleading crap)

I'd plan to leave after repeated episodes - maybe that sounds drastic but I need to be with someone I respect and who respects me.

TandB · 12/10/2011 22:43

I am considering a further sortie to the bedroom to haughtily inform him that 8 out of 10 Mumsnetters think he is unreasonable and I am ignoring the other 2 because one has admitted to being his drinking buddy and the other one just hasn't whole-heartedly agreed with me - time-honoured AIBU tradition therefore allows me to entirely disregard anything she says. Grin

This would probably lead to him searching MN, discovering my username and me having to namechange.

Bollocks. Better not.

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WhereYouLeftIt · 12/10/2011 22:44

YANBU. I'd probably have a complete hissy fit at him for fun to encourage him not to do it again.

WineAndPizza · 12/10/2011 22:47

ChippingIn, you have a point...but at least they're different entities. Cream and icecream in a cake are very much the same. And wine is a drink, must keep the old fluids up.

Panda, restrain yourself.

ChippingIn · 12/10/2011 22:48

Hmm - A Good Plan - but yes, has its downside. Bugger.

BoastingByStealth · 12/10/2011 22:48

Another one here who put up with that shit for far too long, but thankfully, due to this sort of thing, and the absolute inability to ever aknowledge he is BU, he is now my EX.
YANBU

ChippingIn · 12/10/2011 22:49

W&P - hmm no, ice cream & cream are Very Different Things Grin Although I take your point about keeping the fluids up!!

TandB · 12/10/2011 22:50

Toothbrush Thief - the annoying thing is that if the situation were reversed (which it wouldn't be as I am meticulous about keeping him informed if arrangements change) he would smile sweetly and tell me it didn't matter as I deserved a nice night out once in a while. Thus keeping his backside firmly parked on the moral high ground.

I think I will hold off on the leaving him thing, though. While this drives me up the wall, it only happens about once a year or so (usually around a particular annual social event - it is a bit of a running joke now) and, to be fair, he's very rarely put a foot wrong over the last decade.

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TandB · 12/10/2011 22:52

Hang on. How am I suddenly sticking up for him?

[comes to senses and yells 'arse' from sofa]

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Jux · 12/10/2011 23:00

DH used to do this, and the "I am being completely reasonable you mad person". He is like a rebellious teenager who is defying his mum.

Take some deep breaths - in through your nose to a count of 3 and out through your mouth to a count of 5. This will help you stay calm, while you out-reasonable him.

You could always go out tomorrow night, change the time you'll be home and forget to tell him, not apologise. I hate tit for tat but sometimes it's the only thing they understand. Wink

Jux · 12/10/2011 23:01

x post, sorry.