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to teach my kids about very superficial, charming, borderline abusive people?

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Trippler · 16/09/2011 19:04

I feel like I've almost had enough of reading the threads on MN where men are clearly manipulating and emotionally abusing women, and parents have such a hold over their children that they can basically do whatever the chuffing bollocks they like to them, and where so-called friends just keep on using people time after time. It's hard to read these things repeatedly.

My son is 8. He has a friend who is already showing signs of behaving like a user. Everyone "likes" him, wants to like him, and he has clearly got used to being able to say whatever the hell he likes to them (and take what he likes), causing anguish and strife, but at the same time they gravitate to him. After an incident yesterday, I sat ds down and gently warned him that some people seem to have a kind of power over others, and that the best thing to do is to RUN A MILE and stop caring what they think. I gave examples from work, but I could have given examples from my friends, my family, from here.

I'm just fed up with it. What is wrong with us as a society that we don't DO something about these people? There's a group of people who are almost never told their behaviour is appalling. We're all guilty of it I bet, I know I am: not speaking out when these turds abuse us. The trouble is when it happens to us, we're too involved to see it. We can usually spot it from outside though.

We teach out kids how to stay physically safe, but we're not so good at teaching them how to stay emotionally safe, and how to spot charming, manipulative people who will end up taking and abusing. Why not?!

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Trippler · 16/09/2011 22:19

I really don't agree that we learn this in the playground. Sadly people seem to learn it through some sort of abusive relationship. Some people never learn it.

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wildhairrunning · 16/09/2011 23:20

What a brilliant thread - thanks op! You are totally right and it is definitely something I will teach my dc as they grow older. My son is will start self defence classes too soon for self-esteem, discipline and confidence and dd will follow when she is older and I will teach them self defence for the mind too!

A valuable life lesson that will save a lot of kids much heartache and bother

TantePiste · 17/09/2011 13:47

There is a great, great book on this very topic, called In Sheep's Clothing. Here is a link to the kindle edition:

In Sheep's Clothing

At the risk of overselling, this is one of the most useful books I've ever read. Cannot say enough good things. The author has a blog too. I actually thank my lucky stars to have read this book and that Mr. Simon wrote it. Comes in useful often.

PerAr6ua · 17/09/2011 14:03

Interesting thread. I'm currently wondering what I should do about DS (7) and MIL - I've got DH to agree that MIL won't have unsupervised time with DS (she lies about everything and can't seem to see the difference between fantasy and reality) but DH still wants DS to have a relationship - fair enough, but I want to make sure she doesn't damage him the way she did his father.

I've said we'll look at it again when he's old enough to think about everything she tells him and decide for himself whether it's true or not, but obviously I'd like to get him weighing statements now - but how do you tell your child 'granny's a liar and doesn't like mummy (or her own daughter) very much, however tinkly her laughter when she's talking about her'?

Trippler · 17/09/2011 14:11

Great book recommendations, thank you.
When I started this thread I thought I would get a slagging for shifting the blame onto "us" as opposed to "them" and I'm glad I haven't. Manipulative people just don't often get taught that they're in the wrong, though, and I don't understand really why.

I think that our culture has an unnatural bias towards kindness and forgiveness that means we overcompensate massively.

I'd like to see children being taught simple responses to deal with manipulative kids, and I'd like to see manipulative behaviour highlighted as something not to do, and NAMED as manipulative behaviour as well.

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Trippler · 17/09/2011 14:13

Very difficult PerArdua
I'd be inclined to fight for no relationship at all there, but I appreciate it's easier said than done.
Some people don't realise that family and friends are a total privilege.

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PerAr6ua · 17/09/2011 14:18

It's taken a lot of discussion (and a bit of screaming) to get to this point Trippler. Even when I've laid out her behaviour so even he can't explain it away (he doesn't do confrontation) he still says 'but she would do that to DS'... Now waiting for him to organise the couples counselling I've asked for as an anniversary present... the gift that keeps on giving Grin

Avinalarf · 17/09/2011 14:21

I don't really understand this thread.

I think it's quite sad to label an 8 yr old as 'manipulative'.

Trippler · 17/09/2011 14:30

It's the behaviour not the child Hmm

Most people would be quite comfortable with the idea of the kid who always gets into physical fights. This isn't really different.

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PerAr6ua · 17/09/2011 14:39

Avinalarf - at what age do you think it's reasonable to swerve from someone who behaves this way though? I'm genuinely interested - at what age should the child be making consistently better choices and not getting endless chances? I'm pondering this wrt a neighbour's child who's consistently got worse over the last few years - at what point can I say 'no more' rather than including the child in activities and meals and modelling boundary-setting etc.

Blimey that sounded pompous! But you know what I mean!

TakeThisOneHereForAStart · 17/09/2011 15:48

Oddboots - thanks for mentioning that book. I've just ordered it because of the recommendation here.

AgentZigzag · 17/09/2011 16:36

More thanks for Oddboots Smile I've just ordered the book for DD1 who also has to get through going to school with a couple of children who have traits that have been described on the thread.

Like everyone has said, and I tell DD, you have to deal with people you jar with whatever you decide to do with your life, and sometimes you can't just ignore them.

I find it much worse watching the effect these DC have on DD than having to deal with similar adults myself.

I just want to empower her, but it's not easy to know what advice to give for the best.

porcamiseria · 17/09/2011 21:23

you are overthinking this a bit

and dont read the relationships threads

its a sad view you have of people, let your son learn in his own way

and how can an 8 year old compare to some of the terrors in bad-relationship-land, I mean come on!!!!! hes 8

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