To think a school can't legally suddenly ban the headscarf for muslin girls!

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So our local catholic school has banned the headscarf this week...disastrous for some of the girls but also against church advice that headscarfs are fine, against DFES advice about consultation and sensitivity to religious groups, against best practice as this type of change should involve the governing body? discriminatory on religious and sexist grounds...Sikh boys can keep their turbans.

Aibu to think that the school is legally in the wrong?

Which one? The one about covering the bosoms with the headscarf?

Oh your entering very complex water now CoteDAzur...! I thought it best to say "depending on your view" as some Christians, Jewish and Muslims are rarely harmonious on this aspect for complex reasons.

Cocoflower- my point is that verse (thanks for postig it) doesn't refer to headscarfs.

So in conclusion, Muslim girls are maybe bring asked to remove headscarfs to comply with (maybe new) school uniform policy. I think we've all established they are not wearing headscarfs for religious reasons. So why shouldn't they remove it?

Not that complicated. Muslims all know that their God is the same one that sent Christianity and Judaism before Islam. Others who deny this are either in denial or they have not read the Quran.

I'm a lifelong atheist who has grown up in a Muslim country and suffered mandatory religion classes (part of the curriculum). Rare is the fringe topic of Islam that I have not debated the ins and outs of with various religion teachers to share with them my misery for having to attend their classes

OP. they are not allowed to do this. just tell your daughters to keep on wearing it and let them rip it off their heads- they cant touch your daughters anyway.

what knob ends

Serenity - You are wrong. That verse does refer to headscarves. That is what "khimar" means.

"Which one? The one about covering the bosoms with the headscarf?"

Yes, I assume that this verse has been interpretted to include covering girls' heads?

Why would they need to rip headscarves off students' heads? They will just prevent them from entering school premises with headscarves. Those who wish to continue their education there will have to take off their headscarves at school gates. That is what has happened in other places where headscarves have been banned at schools.

Religion is very personal Cote with a huge amount of variety of thinking. Religious people are not homogenous and arrive at their own conclusions which adds to spice mix.

Serenity but it for religious reasons surely- the Qu'ran tells them too?

I thought khimar was a peice of material which covered the head and extended down to the waist- ie that's how it could cover your bosom?

Mind you as has been stated I'm sure many people have many interpretations.

Animation - In Islam, there is a clear distinction between child (before menstruation) and adult woman (after menstruation).

A child is not obliged to do fast during Ramadan or observe the strictly ritualistic 5-times-a-day prayers, and they are certainly not obliged to cover their heads or dress modestly because they are not sexually desirable before this point. In my experience, girls put on bikinis and splash in the sea one summer and if they have reached puberty that winter, find themselves in headscarves and loose clothes, sitting on sweltering sand the next summer

A child in headscarf is a rare sight for this reason. The few parents who inflict headscarves on their small children do so, apparently, so that these girls will get used to it and won't rebel when their parents tell them to put it on after puberty

So in short

There is no reason for a girl to cover up at all before her periods start. What if that is very early though, say at age 8 or 9?

Coco - Religion is personal, sure, but there are certain things that can't change. Such as (1) all Muslims believing in the Quran, and (2) Quran clearly talking about the same God having previously sent Christianity with Jesus. There cannot be a single Muslim anywhere on earth who believes elsewhere, unless he is illiterate and has never read the Quran.

That's very sad. And people argue they're choosing it...

Church/Mosque....same thing.

It doesn't matter how early the periods start. When they do, she is no longer a child and is liable to follow the very detailed directions of Islam in her everyday life.

I do think your right Cote for what its worth but know people do disagree with this (Christians & Jewish too) so didn't want a flaming.....!

LOL @ PosieParker.

You appear on these threads for years now, and you still don't know that a church and a mosque are fundamentally very different places, where completely different things take place for widely different reasons.

Serenity you are right, it is a piece of material that goes over your head and also covers your bosom due to the length.

It is a religious requirement, although not of children. anyone who has not started their period dousnt have to wear it, although im sure there is something about before the age of 7...

Its in the Quran, just let people wear what they want. why does it matter if a girl is wearing hijab? whats the point in stopping it?

A church or Mosque is not the same thing at all.

I don't think I ever met anyone who said that. A bit tbh

The words for headscarf or veil used in the Qur'an are khimār and jilbaab but not hijab

Coco - That is what I called "denial" - they can't imagine that their God might have sent another (updated? ) message because of course theirs is the most perfect religion of all.

It doesn't need to be a competition, though. Maybe God sent different religions to different tribes, depending on their specific needs at that point in time.

" although im sure there is something about before the age of 7"

Like what?

coco you seem incredibally defensive....are you ok?

i had read the quran i know its isnt called hijab anywhere in there, but thats what most people call it and it differentiates that and other other more conservative islamic dress, ok?

and if i could remember, id have written it.

Of course I know they're different. They serve the same purpose don't they?

Place of religious worship, I don't care what it's called. And so when someone says on a thread 'church leaders' with respect to Islam I think we all know she doesn't, literally, mean church leaders....ffs.