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to ask does DM hate working parents

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AuntiePickleBottom · 12/09/2011 22:43

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2036266/Putting-baby-nursery-raise-heart-disease-risk-sends-stress-levels-soaring.html

now i have read it all, once a child is settled the nursery worker will not be strangers

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Cocoflower · 13/09/2011 21:48

Edam I see it differently. On my primary teacher training course we had to write about others people's studies on education because we were expected to show we were informed of the latest research and what the major schools of thinking regarding education are from the most regarded thinkers (some of it just nonscence).

Some of the thinking would indeed seem highly offensive but we had to include in our essay's it as it was part of the foundation of understanding in modern education. It in no way supported my own views but it was to show we were learned in these areas.

I confess I am not a DM reader so perhaps you know far more.

I was merely approaching this as any rational person that they were merely reproting what new research had shown.

babybythesea · 13/09/2011 21:52

There's a great game you can play with the DM though.
Somewhere in there they have hidden a real piece of genuine news. The game is to find it. It might be really small and often it's just yesterday's weather (which really did happen and sometimes has to count as news in order for the game to work) but it is there somewhere.
How fast can you find the genuine news piece? I'm timing you. Ready...go.

edam · 13/09/2011 22:50

Grin @ baby.

The health coverage is generally pretty good, although you have to take the NHS-bashing with a pinch of salt.

Coco, you are clearly very keen to be fair and balanced and that is a good thing. Just don't assume the Mail is! Journalism is quite different to essay-writing. Broadcast news is supposed to be impartial, print journalism is not necessarily - you have to read between the lines to see if there is an agenda to a particular story, and bear in mind the title's target readership. Even the sort of impartiality imposed on broadcast news is far from perfect. It can lead presenters to give 'each side' of a story equal billing, even when that means nutters are given undue prominence as if their ridiculous extreme claims are of equal weight to, I dunno, the bulk of scientific evidence on a particular issue.

ArthurMcAffertyhastwocats · 13/09/2011 23:25

Belatedly coming back to this. I would agree that writing an essay is very different to writing an article. The point of an academic essay is to assess the evidence, weigh it all up and present a reasoned conclusion. Most newspaper articles are reflecting a paper's inherent bias - it's often harder to spot it in papers whose world view is broadly aligned with yours.

And there is no question the Mail has an agenda. I typed "Daily Mail nursery" into google just now - I got http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1305310/UK-families-face-highest-costs-childcare-Average-weekly-nursery-160.html link on the first page. Now 95% of this story is a fairly evenly presented analysis of an interesting piece of research about childcare costs, which raises lots of valid questions. And then in the middle is the following comment:

"Critics, however, warn that the true cost of the trend towards having both parents out at work is not the financial one, but the emotional and developmental cost for children who grow up without their mother at home."

That is just thrown in there. There is no reference to who these critics are, no evidence to prove that, and no sources cited. It's just lobbed in there. I'm not saying there aren't studies that do say that there are negative impacts on children who attend nursery but that comment has nothing to do with the issue under discussion and is just lazy journalism. Why on earth would you put that in there if you didn't have some form of ideological objection to nurseries? I was so surprised by that I had to read the article three times to check I hadn't missed something.

seeker · 13/09/2011 23:29

Yhe DM hates working parents - but it also hates parents who don't work - or "scroungers" as it likes to call them. Actually, I think the DM hates everyone except the Queen - and it occasionally has a little wobble about her because of her German ancestry.

Oh yes, Margaret Thatcher - it likes her. And Joan Collins.

ArthurMcAffertyhastwocats · 13/09/2011 23:40

Maggie wasn't exactly the standard bearer
for stay at home domesticity, was she? Ironic that she's probably the only woman the DM really approves of...

missymarmite · 14/09/2011 00:28

I must be pretty high on the DM hate list. Obese LP (drain on the NHS and welfare state), working in the public sector(overpaid, even though I earn so little I get the highest rate of TC), duel heritage DS.

I must have been a really horrid/ugly wife, that's why XH walked out on us Hmm so it is all my fault I am on my own. I have ruined the life of my DS by having married an immigrant in the first place (and ethnic minority to boot), he will become a delinquent because of his heritage and lack of father-figure, and IT'S ALL MY FAULT. I should have fallen in love with a white, english, middle-class, white-collar worker. I deserve to live in poverty and suffer a life of hardship.

TryLikingClarity · 14/09/2011 08:24

I just almost choked on my breakfast cereal reading the post seeker posted.

Ha! Too true!

HardCheese · 14/09/2011 08:54

The DM doesn't do journalism, it spews ill-founded bile aimed to fuel a right-wing, ill-educated, misogynistic readership. Read Ben Goldacre's Bad Science column if you are interested in misreporting of scientific research, or problems and biases within the research itself.

For those listing DM hate-figures, you're forgetting Selfish, Careerist Older Mothers, of which I am unapologetically one.

VikingBlood · 14/09/2011 09:22

I love reading the DM, as babybythesea said, it's like a game of spot the real news!
I did once get sucked in and made a comment to DH about the dangers of doing such and such a thing, to which he asked me where I'd heard it, then, upon realising the source had been the DM, I admitted defeat and stocked up on salt.
The only things I won't read are the articles about children, I just find them too upsetting be they genuine or not.
After my daily dose of DM I go on to read the Guardian and the BBC news, what I find truly shocking is the number of ridiculous articles I see in the DM which also appear in the other two, not sure who gets what from who!

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