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AIBU?

AIBU to just want to get the hell out of here?

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smallmotherbigheart · 11/09/2011 22:48

my brother is 37 and mentally ill. I respect that he has an issue and I mostly stay out of escalating situations, but sometimes I can't help but think that my mum allows him to get away with murder and I get impatient, then angry and end up having a one on one confrontation. He starts throwing his weight about and Mum chips in before he may or may not do anything to me.

He always accuses my mum of things. My mum is 66 years old and needs a break. He doesn't help around the house at all, ignores me when i ask him, even if im very very polite. My and mum do all the cooking, cleaning and obviously I have a small son to look after. He won't even push in the chair at the dining table once hes finished sitting on it. Won't clear his plate, won't even move it from the table.... just gets up and goes back to his room.

On top of that he makes an astonishing mess around the house. He has no regard for other people's needs and will happily eat my sons food (he has asked him many times if he can have his food even though he has just eaten). He will if ask my mother for her food too, he doesn't do it to me because he knows what I will say. He also has no regard for other people's privacy and I have found him in my room and my mums room a number of times going through things. He listens to our conversations when we are on the phone.

Another thing that bothers me is that he is so respectful to my ex, who was violent to me but cannot demonstrate the same level to my current partner who is lovely to everyone. He ridicules me when I'm trying to teach my son things, he's called me trollop, slag and all the related terms.

The other day he brought porn into the house, which he knows we are against because my son lives here. To take the piss he has a flat of his own but refuses to live there. Instead he says I should leave. I know he is mentally ill, but I really lost my temper on him today, because I only asked him to turn down his radio. He had been shouting really badly at my mum, my son was crying and when he went back to his room he played his music really loud, all i wanted was some peace. I asked nicely and he spoke to me so badly that I just lost it, he got up in my face and yet again my mum jumped in. Im sorry this is so long, but what can i do?? I dont earn enough to move out and im studying at uni.

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PrincessFiorimonde · 12/09/2011 00:40

Sorry - my second paragraph should have made this clearer: other posters have suggested practical ways in which you could try to get a flat of your own.

They have given you good advice. Please do think about this.

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LDNmummy · 12/09/2011 00:46

OP my mother is a case worker for people just like your brother.

Firstly if he is not taking his medication, you need to notify his case worker immediately as this is not a good thing at all. He really needs to get back on his meds as a priority as his not being on them properly is putting you all at risk.

Paranoid Schizophrenia can become very volatile and this is not a good environment for you or especially your son. Your mother is choosing to tolerate this so there isn't much you can do other than sort yourself out at this point.

Get to the council tomorrow and explain what is happening, it will not get you a place in three weeks in London, it may take a very long time, but get yourself on the list and explain you are living in a house with someone who is mentally unwell and threatening with potential violence. Getting on the list is the first step.

It sounds to me like there is no point trying to tackle this so your brother will use his own accommodation or so that he will change. TBH, he doesn't even know what he is doing, he is mentally unwell and cannot rationalize his actions in the same way as you would so your expectations of him are worthless.

Yes he can of course understand to a certain degree, but if his schizophrenia is not being treated properly (his not taking his meds), you cannot expect him to behave normally or even tolerably.

I do think it is good that you are trying to finish uni and I see no wrong in you being at your mothers. Living in London I don't know anyone who doesn't live at their parents when trying to move up an educational, career orientated or other type of self growth ladder unless they are single with a student loan to cover a crummy share accommodation. It is too expensive and your situation is sadly the norm, obviously other posters here do not understand that so I wouldn't pay them much notice.

I think the actual problem here is the expectations you have of your brother to be reasonable and rational in his thinking while suffering from a mental illness like his. Stop expecting things to change in his behaviour and start putting your energy into getting your accommodation sorted. Get yourself to the council ASAP.

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sundayrose10 · 12/09/2011 04:29

Great advice from LDNmummy. Try not to get too upset on here. There will always be one idiot who tries it on.

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MrsVidic · 12/09/2011 05:55

I would tell your brother unless he either let's you and your dc move into his flat or he moves out you will report him to the housing for not staying at his flat. Mentally ilness or not he must spend the majority of his time there or he will loose the tenancy- and rightly so.

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PrincessFiorimonde · 12/09/2011 07:33

smallmother, I know it is hard when you are in the middle of all these problems. But please try to take a step back and see what you can do. I normally think that trying to be impartial and not to take sides is a good thing - but at the moment I do not think this is the right approach in your currrent situation. You need to take some action.

LDNMummy has given you excellent advice here. Please do reflect on her words.

Best wishes to you.

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OpinionatedMum · 12/09/2011 07:44

LDNmummy has given you the right advice.

And going down the homeless route will be the only way of securing council accommodation in London.

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skybluepearl · 12/09/2011 09:37

have you thought about approaching student services at uni and explaining the situation to them. They ussually have a host of ways of supporting people.

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SickwithFury · 12/09/2011 09:55

LDNMummy is giving you the best advice here OP, and I second not even trying to get an even footing with your brother, because it's not going to happen. Paranoid Schizophrenics are not likeable when their in this condition and border on unstable and dangerous when they're dabbling with their meds. Your Mum is in a very very volatile situation I agree, but your very first priority is your son.

Follow the advice you've been given, and get out as soon as you can. Should your brother turn against your Mother, then he will be sectionable and placed into an environment that more suits his needs, but that CANNOT happen unless the appropriate authorities are contacted. Do it today. Your poor, poor son living in these conditions......

As adults, we are more mentally equipped to deal with these stressful situations, but I really worry for your boy. I know you do too - so take action before you and your family become an incident we read about in the press Sad

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WhoseGotMyEyebrows · 12/09/2011 11:09

BimboNo5 Wow, im not actually surprised you live with your mother with posts like that. And its YOUR.

Well that's not necessary is it! Using spelling mistakes to put someone down just makes you look petty and stupid. And what's with all the judging of the OP living with her mum while she studies Bimbo and Bloody. Her mum probably appreicates her daughter being there to help out and I woud imagine is proud that her daughter is educating herself while she has a young child.

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WhoseGotMyEyebrows · 12/09/2011 11:14

I don't really understand why his condition makes him so . . . well all the things you said. For eg, I don't understand why that means he can't push in his chair or do anything around the place. Sorry if I am being stupid.

Is it that he has this condition but he is also an arsehole?

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G1nger · 12/09/2011 11:19

Your mother is - I'm sorry to say - part of the problem. By not doing anything to address his behaviour (such as getting him sectioned), she is allowing him to make you and your son, as well as herself, his victims. You're right to be worried about her, but you also need to accept that she has a choice in all of this. And it's a choice that you could encourage her to make differently, or accept that she's not going to make it and so you just need to look after yourself and your son.

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SickwithFury · 12/09/2011 11:32

WhoseGotMyEyebrows don't quote me, but I'm pretty certain that this condition means that he, and others like him, have no empathy for others, or no real sense of responsibility or consequence. Plus, should he be used to having things done for him to this extent, then he's really going to stop making the effort.

A friend of mine was sectioned for PS after attacking her father with a knife. She thought he was a steam train trying to mow her down Sad

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Claw3 · 12/09/2011 11:49

"As with all types of schizophrenia, a person with paranoid schizophrenia will experience a significant decline in his ability to function in at least one major area of life such as work, school, relationships or the ability to care for himself"

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BootyMum · 12/09/2011 12:10

I think that Bloody and Bimbo were commenting that there are options for the OP, however they may be ones that in an ideal world/situation she wouldn't have to take.

One of those might be deferring her university whilst she works to be able afford rent and possibly childcare.

OPs responses were imo very defensive and belligerant. She comes across as quite childish tbh.

If she only wanted hand holding and support of the kind of oh how bad she has it and advice on how to move up the housing waiting list then perhaps she should have stated this rather than AIBU!

And LDNMummy - I know plenty of people in London who don't fall back on parental hospitality when the going gets tough, either through pride and a desire to be an adult and self sufficient or because it is impossible for them to live with their parents for various reasons.

And so I have little sympathy with anyone who feels so entitled to have this as an option when you are an adult and should be standing on your own two feet. It's perhaps nice to have this as an option but should not be seen as a right.

So OP needs to look at other options re her housing and if unable to get council accomodation she probably should look at privately renting.

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WhoseGotMyEyebrows · 12/09/2011 12:25

SickwithFury Jesus! That's horrific!

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fit2drop · 12/09/2011 12:30

OP

the diagnosis of your brother would mean he has a care-coordinator involved . He will have a care plan. The care coordinator should be making regular visits. Has no one explained to her or has she not noticed the lack of medicatio. If your brother is not compliant with his meds the care coordinator can arrange for it to be given by regular depo antipsychotic meds.
The CC should notice the deterioration in MH of your brother and act accordingly .
If this is not happening then you need to speak to the CC of your concerns.
Someone with your brothers diagnosis needs to be compliant with meds as the results of not being can be catastrophic. Your mum should or could also have some outside suppport from services. Her son may be becoming unmanageable for her (hence her allowing him to get away with such behaviour) Speak to MIND about any help available for your mum.

It is hard but just because someone has a MH illness does not mean they have permission or an excuse to behave so appallingly. The things he is doing are not exclusive to PS, they seem more behavioural.

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WhoseGotMyEyebrows · 12/09/2011 12:36

BootyMum So you think she should give up studying and the opportunity to one day soon provide a good life for her son. That would be such a shame when she is so close to completing her course. Private renting? How's she going to afford that even if she does give up her course, she'd have to go on benefits, I think it's admirable that she doesn't wish to do that.


BluddyMoFo's first message was . . .

So your brother is mentally ill? Thats his excuse for still living with his mum. As an adult with a child of your own instead of living with your mother and bickering with your brother like a child why not move out and ease the burden.

& BimboNo5s was

You should as an adult be standing on your own two feet not living with Mummy.

You can't blame the OP for reacting quite tersley to that.

The OPs mum is happy to have her there so it isn't an issue. It wasn't what the OP asked so jumping on it is more to do with posters own issues rather then the OP.

FWIW I think it's bloody hard being a single mum to a young child and studying at the same time. I think it's great that she is trying to make herself more employable and to provide a better life for her child, rather then the alternative of getting a council flat on benefits and then maybe finding she is never able to go back and study. She needs to do it now while she has the support of her mum.

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VelvetSnow · 12/09/2011 12:48

OPs responses were imo very defensive and belligerant. She comes across as quite childish tbh.

I agree with Booty about the OP responses, which I do not think were provoked.

But, back to the OP - I think the advice about the lock on your bedroom door is good advice - you should take that.

Have you discussed how you feel with your mum - how would your mum feel if you were to move out?

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fit2drop · 12/09/2011 12:57

OP had every right to get defensive re the "grow up, move out, stop uni " remarks.

These were not the issue that OP was asking if she was BU about.

WhoseGotMyEyebrows is spot on with her 12:36 post

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WhoseGotMyEyebrows · 12/09/2011 15:03

fit2drop Why thank you! Smile

VelvetSnow The OP is in a stressful situation at the moment. If someone starts judging her on a part of her life which she is doing really well with IMO, and wasnt even what she was asking for comments about then she is bound to get a bit snappy.

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BootyMum · 12/09/2011 15:10

Whosegotmyeyebrows yes, I do think the OP should give up her study for the time being if she cannot get council accomodation and needs to rent privately.

Her immediate priority imo is the emotional and physical safety of her child who is the most vulnerable in this situation. It sounds to me as if she is in a volatile and potentially dangerous situation [something which other posters with more experience with paranoid schizophrenia have confirmed]

Sometimes as an adult and parent difficult decisions need to be made. It is not the OPs mother who is responsible for her keep now she is grown up but OP is responsible for her young son's.

OP can blame her brother, mother and unsympathetic responses on here till the cows come home but only she can make a change to her circumstances.

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fit2drop · 12/09/2011 16:06

BootyMum

Why is her family in a dangerous situation ( I said catastrophic results if not compliant with meds , I didnt say dangerous ,)
Just because the brother has PS does not make him dangerous, yes he could be , but no more than you or I given the right circumstances.

This ridiculous misconception and assumption and mostly media and ignorance led idea that ALL people that suffer with PS are mad axe men never fails to make me cross.

OP is mostly quite happy with her living arrangements , it obviously works for her and her son and her mother, who the hell is anyone on here to say she should give that up. She was not asking for advise on that.

I read it as more about HOW she could help support her mum and her brother who is becoming more and more ill as he is erratic with his meds and therefore the situation at home is spiralling. How would leaving her home help her mum or her brother.

MH services need to assess and be involved to stop a "section" as someone ^^ there said needed doing.

The bad manners , rudeness, etc sound more like behavioural tendencies they are nothing to do with PS.

OP need help from services to support her mother in how best to deal with her brother when he is showing these behaviours,

I would suggest getting him compliant with his meds is a start and if that means his CC doing her job and recognising the problem , then hopefully getting a depo med prescribed then surely that is better advise than" leave em to it and move out" which would only create more stress and just another set of problems as the mum would still be having to cope with a son she can,t manage, both are people the OP loves so she would not move out and be happy would she.
So hardly a good result Hmm

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BootyMum · 12/09/2011 16:47

Fittodrop you might not have said dangerous but other posters have, for example LDNMummy - Paranoid Schizophrenics are not likeable when their in this condition and border on unstable and dangerous when they're dabbling with their meds. Your Mum is in a very very volatile situation I agree, but your very first priority is your son.

I said "potentially dangerous" as OP spoke of brother shouting at her, getting up in her face and her son crying. So at least there is serious emotional distress and intimidation which may escalate into something more physical.

You say - OP is mostly quite happy with her living arrangements , it obviously works for her and her son and her mother, who the hell is anyone on here to say she should give that up. She was not asking for advise on that.
Well she did post "AIBU to want to get the hell out?" I was responding to that. I'm not sure it is so helpful to tell her she should get her brother compliant with his medication regime... Not her priority in my opinion. Protecting her son however is and how OP tells the story does not sound a safe [emotionally] place for him.

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WhoseGotMyEyebrows · 12/09/2011 16:54

To me it sounds like the brother needs to move out for the mums benefit as well as the OPs and her childs. He's not great to be around right now and he has his own place so he should. That doesn't mean abandoning him but sometimes you have to think of yourselves. Not sure how they could make that happen though, sounds like professional advice is needed.

I am really not convinced that PS makes someone behave like an arse hole either.

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SickwithFury · 12/09/2011 17:49

Got to agree, but since we don't know any history, I held back; having PS doesn't excuse you for being an ass, or for taking advantage, or taking someone for granted.

That said, I've got to disagree with you BootyMum because situations are never that black and white. And while I stand by my sentiments earlier (you quoted me, not LDNMummy) it really does sound like you are judging the OP for her not throwing in her course, packing up her bags and moving out.

Things are never that simple, and never that straightforward. Speaking as someone who's only just finished a PgDip, I can say hand on heart, that taking a break from the course would have almost guaranteed me not returning to it. It's SO hard to do when you have children and I can imagine the OP literally hanging on by the skin of her teeth. Hardly the student lifestyle at all. To me, it's obvious this is being done to better her life for herself and her son and she sounds stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I wish you well OP but the advice here is mostly sound. You and your Mother, especially your Mother cannot do this alone. Get the help in, and get some advice about housing for yourself and your son.

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