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to think that the English team look like All Black wannabes in their black kits

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queenmaeve · 10/09/2011 11:29

Bear in mind I am Irish and I am just trying to stir things up Grin
Fighting talk bring it on!!!!!!

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LaWeasel · 10/09/2011 13:11

New Zealand is a complicated country. It has two names. Some people hate one, some people hate the other. Some people hate the flag.

Almost everyone LOVES sport (not just rugby, it might be considered the national game but all sports are a major part of life) it is just easier to have all of their sports names connected together and to the country in a way that has no political implications.

Yes, the rugby team was probably the first, but it was also one of their first national teams for any sport at all.

Why do you care?

zipzap · 10/09/2011 13:30

Dh's theory (he's a rugby fan) is that as well as wanting to annoy the all blacks and get some sporting advantage from unsettling them apparently Nike make their kits and adidas make the all black kits. So if people get confused and Nike can pick up on some of the brand value of their competitor.

Plus as others have said if nz can play in White as their away kit then they can't complain when others use black!

queenmaeve · 10/09/2011 13:34

Its the legs I love -oh did I say that out loud?

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Rillyrillygoodlooking · 10/09/2011 13:44

I don't care per se. I have moved here and it is a thing that got to me. I think because you can't move for all blacks here then it just seems like everything is in their shadow. S'pose I will concede about the flag.
It seems so silly to get a black away kit just to piss off another team.

jasper · 10/09/2011 13:50

I read that as black KILTS and was getting ready to be Outraged From Glasgow

Maisiethemorningsidecat · 10/09/2011 13:57

It does seem to have been designed to piss the Kiwi's off - I can't for the life of me understand why they would want to do that, other than simply to piss the Kiwis off.....Hmm Which is why I cheered v loudly for Argentina this morning and cursed their villages when they won.

Hopefully the rightful owners of the black strip will have the satisfaction of thrashing them at some point.

LaWeasel · 10/09/2011 14:12

Ahh, I see. It will make sense after a while honest. And it's nice to get swept up in all the All Blacks love. Hope you're enjoying NZ! I miss it horribly.

Maisiethemorningsidecat · 10/09/2011 17:54

Why is the New Zealand flag is extremely controversial and unpopular??! Very intrigued now....

LunaticFringe · 10/09/2011 18:09

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HerRoyalNotness · 10/09/2011 18:10

www.rugbyfootballhistory.com/allblacks.html

This is very interesting on how the name came about, given to them by the English Press!

The New Zealand test side was not always called the All Blacks, (in the early days they were called Maorilanders, the New Zealanders or even the Colonials), they were given that name during their famous 1905 tour to the British Isles, France and Canada.

The 1884 side mentioned above had for its uniform a dark blue jersey with a gold fernleaf over the left breast, dark knickerbockers, and stockings. It was certainly not ?All Black?.

After the formation of the New Zealand Rugby Union in 1892, it was resolved that the New Zealand representative colours should be ??Black Jersey with Silver Fernleaf, Black Cap with Silver Monogram, White Knickerbockers and Black Stockings?? on the motion of Mr WEllison and seconded by Mr King. This was the standard uniform for some years, though photographs of the 1894 and 1896 teams show that white shorts, and not knickerbockers, were worn. There is no photograph of the 1897 team in uniform?in the official photograph they are shown wearing long trousers?but in the New Zealand Graphic of 14 August 1897 there is a cartoon of a New Zealand footballer wearing a black jersey and white shorts.

For the 1905 tour the shorts were changed to black.

The "Express & Echo in Devon appears to be the first to use the term All-blacks when it recorded the day the 1905 touring side beat Devon 55-4 in their first game, "The All Blacks, as they are styled by reason of their sable and unrelieved costume, were under the guideance of their captain (Mr Gallaher), and their fine physique favorably impressed the spectators".

By 11 October the Daily Mail by Buttery, had also picked this up and reference ?All Black? play and its complement, ?All Black Cameraderie?. From then on the new name gradually won acceptance, so much so that by early November, following the match with Surrey (1 November), the Daily Mail made direct mention of the All Black team ?that everybody is talking about?.

busterk · 10/09/2011 19:12

I think it was done to annoy New Zealand and for England to think they are better than everyone and can do what they like. I understand that the All Blacks have a white away strip but England have always used red so don't see why they chose black this time.

Ps
Can you tell i'm Scottish. Ha Ha and not that proud of how the guys played either!!

LaWeasel · 10/09/2011 19:22

A lot of people don't like the New Zealand flag because like most commonwealth countries it has the British flag on it. And New Zealand and the British has not always been a great mix (In particular they made mistakes in the translation of the original agreement between the Maouri and the European's which is still causing problems now...)

Maisiethemorningsidecat · 10/09/2011 19:29

Oh, I see what you mean.

FWIW I still don't think the England team should have worn black - but then as a Scot I generally have a very low opinion of them anyway Grin

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