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To think that being able to tie shoelaces does not equate to good parenting?

76 replies

ElusiveMoose · 07/09/2011 13:13

There was a debate on Radio 4 this morning relating to the headline about childcare costs, and one of the guests (don't know who she was) was using it as an opportunity to bemoan the lack of stay at home parents (surprise, surprise). As part of her argument, she suddenly exclaimed that 'the lack of one-to-one parenting has led to a situation where many children start school unable to even tie their own shoelaces!'.

Now, this is drivel in all sorts of ways that I won't dwell on (I didn't come on here for a debate about SAH vs. WOH), but it got me thinking about shoelaces. More specifically, I would be very interested to know how many of your starting-school-age children can tie shoelaces? I'm a gave-up-my-career-to-be-a-SAHM person of the sort that this woman would no doubt approve, but my nearly four year old son could no sooner tie a shoelace than fly to the moon (admittedly he's not actually starting school this year, but he would have been if he'd been born two weeks early instead of two weeks late). I haven't asked, but I imagine most of his little friends are the same.

It seems to me that the reason lots of (most?) 4 year olds can't tie laces is because a) it's actually quite a tricky skill, requiring considerable dexterity and practice, and b) very few shoes for young kids have laces these days. I was in Clarks today, and I noticed that they didn't have a single pair of school shoes with laces for young boys; the only laced ones were a couple of pairs of hiking-style boots.

So, in a nutshell I thought that this woman's assertion was the kind of lazy, thoughtless and baseless kneejerk criticism of working parents that we hear so much of. But then I got to worrying that maybe my son is unusual, and that other kids his age are busy tying endless Gordian knots with happy abandon. Opinions, please?

OP posts:
madamarcati · 07/09/2011 16:28

I think it is poor parenting to send children to school in shoes, or any clothing they can't manage by themselves

Voidka · 07/09/2011 16:44

My DS will have to go to school naked then :o

Bramshott · 07/09/2011 16:51

Well exactly madamarcati - the fact is that shoelaces are no longer a regular feature for small children's shoes, so their ability to tie them on starting school is neither here nor there.

Abra1d · 07/09/2011 16:54

I thought her main point was that some of the children started school still wearing nappies.

SHe then went on to say that learning to tie shoelaces was one of those useful things a mother who had time (because she wasn't working outside the house) might have time to teach, in addition.

She didn't, if I remember correctly, say that you should be able to tie the laces to start school.

RavenVonChaos · 07/09/2011 16:56

My dd's learned really quick as they chose lace ups and the condition was that they had to learn to lace them up. They now help those who can't.

Its a bit like telling the time. No one will actually teach them so it's up to parents if they consider it important. Or if are lazy like me....basically to stop them asking me all "what's the time" constantly I bought them watches and helped them work it out and eventually they learned to tell the time.

Funtimewincies · 07/09/2011 17:06

I'm a SAHP and ds1 (aged 4 years and 9 months) started Reception not having even attempted shoeslaces, and I'm the sort of parent who sews name labels on Wink.

He can't yet hold a pencil with any great degree of control so shoelaces would be a pain for all concerned. He's also got ludicrously narrow feet (11E) so would have to do them really tighly too.

He'll learn, I'll teach him when he stands a slim chance of succeeding Grin.

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 07/09/2011 17:07

Another one here who is crap at tieing her own laces.

ds is going to have to have a crash course from DP before he starts secondary next year; I imagine it's pretty Blush to wear velcro shoes when you're 12.

mrsshears · 07/09/2011 17:15

dd who is just 5 learned to tie laces in the 6 weeks holiday and is very pleased with herselfGrin

Insomnia11 · 07/09/2011 17:18

Thanks for starting this thread, OP. The shoelaces comment made me yell at the radio this morning, I had steam coming out of my ears. Angry

DD1 (6) just learned to tie a bow in the summer around her birthday time but only because MIL bought her a shoe lace tying teddy thing Blush. She's never had any lace up shoes and I was thinking, maybe I should get her some at some point so she can learn how, but now, problem solved, thanks MIL!

But she is happy, confident, well behaved at school, loves learning, I get comments like "she is a pleasure to teach", has lots of friends...how would this have been different if one of us had been at home with her instead of having a childminder? Oh, of course, she could have been practising tying shoelaces so she could do it by the age of 4 to satisfy some daft old busybody on the Today programme. Hmm

Whatmeworry · 07/09/2011 17:20

^I thought her main point was that some of the children started school still wearing nappies.

SHe then went on to say that learning to tie shoelaces was one of those useful things a mother who had time (because she wasn't working outside the house) might have time to teach, in addition.

She didn't, if I remember correctly, say that you should be able to tie the laces to start school^

That what i hear d too...interesting that everyone kicked off on the shoelaces bit, not the nappies.

halcyondays · 07/09/2011 17:22

Why does a 4 year old need to be able to tie shoelaces anyway?

Insomnia11 · 07/09/2011 17:23

Because it's so ridiculous WMW.

Funtimewincies · 07/09/2011 17:25

But if I gave time to teaching ds1 how to tie his shoelaces whatme it would eat into my daytime TV/biscuit scoffing/MNetting/arse scratching/gin swigging Shock Grin!

ramblingmum · 07/09/2011 17:25

I don't think this is a new thing. I started school in 1979 unable to tie shoelaces as I had buckle shoes, and I am quite sure I was not the only one. By the way dd1 starts reception tomorrow and I havent tried to teach her yet

halcyondays · 07/09/2011 17:27

Teaching children to tie shoelaces isn't about having the time to do it, it's about them having the necessary motor skills to be able to do it.

champagnesupernova · 07/09/2011 17:28

I couldn't tie a bow until I was 8 nearly 9 and went off to boarding school
I am perfectly well adjusted.

GrimmaTheNome · 07/09/2011 17:29

Thanks to velcro shoes and boots with elasticated toggles, my 12 year old is still pretty rubbish at tieing shoelaces. (most of the 'older girls' shoes in Clarks have velcro, no stigma at all)

She can however tie perfectly competent figure-of-eights, reef knots, round turn and 2 half hitches and bowline!

As Meditrina said 'learn what they need to, when they need to' - she needed to learn knots to get her windsurfing and sailing certificates (and also to attach boats to jetties reliably!), but has no lace-up shoes.

Whatmeworry · 07/09/2011 17:34

I don't think she said kids should be able to tie the laces to start school though. What she was on about was rise of nappies at start of school. I have no idea if its true or not, but that to me - if true - is the really intereting thing.

LaWeasel · 07/09/2011 19:38

The problem with the nappies thing - is quite a lot of opinion pieces say "ooh, lots of kids start school in nappies these days" and provide absolutely no evidence for this.

There are probably slightly more children starting school in nappies, but that's because far far more children with special needs are actually getting to go to mainstream school and have their needs accomadated. For eg, the only school child I've known in nappies had severe bowel problems from birth and was never ever going to have any bowel control. It was nothing to do with parents being lazy!!

whackamole · 07/09/2011 19:45

YANBU, my 10 YO DSS still can't tie his laces properly! (Well, he can tie them but prefers to have them so loose that he might not have bothered)

I remember mastering laces. I don't remember the age, but I was definitely not in reception. And I was brought up by a SAHM so nyah.

voddiekeepsmesane · 07/09/2011 20:38

I am A SAHM and my 7 year old is just starting to learn how to tie his laces. What a load of bollocks this woman was talking.

nancythursday · 07/09/2011 21:06

My 7 year old ds has learnt to tie his laces over the summer holls. I got fed up with the velcro ones not sticking properly when they're full of grass and bits and found some lace up school shoes in m&s.

borderslass · 07/09/2011 21:10

Tieing shoelaces is something kids learn at different ages DD1 was about 8 DS [asd] 13 decided in the morning he wanted to do them and did DD2 was nearly 4.

Nothing to do with skills as a parent.

MilkandWine · 07/09/2011 21:15

I am 32 and I still can't tie my shoelaces Blush

Seriously, my dad tried to teach me for hours and hours but I just couldn't grasp it. I developed my own method, cackhanded for tying bows and I still do it now. I've had a few people notice it over the years and it makes me cringe.

I feel better now I've gotten that off my chest.

MilkandWine · 07/09/2011 21:16

Or should I say cackhanded method? I can't construct a sentence either apparently.

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